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To: Jamey who wrote (39198)4/23/2006 5:11:00 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
XPICTOC ANECTH! Christos Anesti! Christ is risen! Kristos Voskrese! Kalo Pascha!

Santiago wrote:

"You are just guessing that means some other generation because you have no relevant verses to prove that is what it means"

In Christ's One Holy Church there is no need for guesswork.

Papists, Protestants and "Preterists" are left to guess, because they have cut themselves off from the pillar and ground of truth, Christ's Holy Orthodox Church.

Many choose to go their own way, and not to come to the bosom of Holy Church, where the truth has been preserved untainted for nearly two millennia now.

You will never understand these things until you accept the plain and undeniable words of the holy Apostle Paul:

And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. (2 Timothy 2.2)

and...

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. (2 Thessalonians 2.15)

and...

And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. (Acts 16.4)

and...

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. (1 Corinthians 11.1-2)

and...

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. (2 Thessalonians 3.6)

and...

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. (Romans 16.17-18)

and...

Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 1.13)

Christians are instructed to keep the traditions that were passed down from the holy Apostles to faithful men, who in turn would pass the teachings on to succeeding generations.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Jude 1.3)

You see? The Faith was once delivered to the saints. The goal is to PRESERVE the Faith unsullied, not FIGURE IT OUT to suit our own private interpretations, centuries later.

Unless one grasps this basic concept, that the Church was delivered the ENTIRE TRUTH necessary for our salvation from the very beginning, and that the Church has never ceased to exist in all previous ages, and never will cease to exist in the ages to come; and that in every generation there are those who preserve the TRADITIONS as St. Paul exhorted us to follow...

He will never escape out of Babylon -- his own personal confusion.

"Preterism" is alien to the TRADITION of the Church.

If you were to actually learn the traditions of the Church, and read the holy saints that preceded us, instead of hearkening to the charlatans and hucksters of these evil times, you would understand this.

Cyprian



To: Jamey who wrote (39198)4/23/2006 6:17:31 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Christ is risen! Truly he is risen!

The Preterists use Scripture to prove Scripture.

All Protestants claim that they are following Scripture! Yet many of them cannot agree, as we see testified on this very message board.

There has to be some objective standard of truth to guide us in how to interpret Sacred Scripture.

Do you think that it was Christ's desire that there would be 20,000 different denominations and sects, all competing and claiming they were the One true Church?

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11.19)

Christ allows heresies, so that the approved may be made known, but it was not His prayer and desire that anyone would become a heretic. The Scripture says that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Does that end up being the case? No, some definitely perish and will not seek repentance in this life and will only after it is too late.

Christ prayed that the Church would be one, even as He and the Father were one.

Now if you were to read the entire gospel of St. John very carefully, you would see that Christ explicitly showed that His will never diverged from the Father's.

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (John 5.19)

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5.30)

Did the Son's will ever diverge from the Father's? No. Did the Father's will ever diverge from the Son's? No.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (John 17.20-22)

Christ clearly prayed that the Church would be one, even as He and the Father are One.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4.5)

Not 20,000 different faiths, all with differing wills.

One faith. This one faith existed in apostolic times, because we read of the Church growing in the book of Acts.

If you want to be part of the one faith of Christ, you can't just go and start your own church and do things however you feel like it,

You MUST maintain the apostolic traditions that have been passed down from generation to generation, starting from the very beginning.

It's obvious that many Protestants were raised in an environment where they were taught that the Roman Catholics were always pushing the idea of tradition. Since the Roman Catholics clearly perverted many traditions, the Protestants in their ignorance simply forsook tradition altogether.

I believe there is an expression used to describe this. It's called: "throwing out the baby with the bath water".

Other Protestants simply invented their own peculiar traditions foreign to the historical traditions of the apostolic teaching.

When I exhort you all to follow Holy Tradition, I am in no way telling any of you to become Roman Catholics, which have perverted the traditions since leaving Christ's Church around a thousand years ago. That's when Roman Catholicism began. When they were still in the Church, they were Orthodox Catholics, meaning right confessing Catholics. Roman Catholicism only began to exalt itself above the Church in the times of Pope Nicholas against St. Photios the Great in the 9th century. Prior to that the Popes of Rome were Orthodox, and did not differ in faith from the Eastern Orthodox 'Popes' or Patriarchs as they are often called.

Neither am I exhorting anyone to follow the peculiar man-made traditions that the Protestants have invented just to compete with the foreign traditions of the Papists.

Protestants love to claim that they follow the Scriptures, and the Scripture alone. Many Protestants say, if you want to prove it to me that I have to follow something, show me in the Scriptures.

Where do we find so-called "altar calls" in the Scriptures?

"let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear" (Hebrews 12.28)

We are told to worship God with REVERENCE and godly FEAR.

Protestant preachers these days are nothing more than entertainers and fast talkers, cracking jokes, and laughing and giggling, and rapping, etc. while their congregations dance in the aisles, holding their cup of espresso in one hand, while raising their other hand in the air, whooping it up, etc. while they listen to rock and pop music on electric guitars.

Where is any of this in the Bible?

Show me where any of the disciples of Christ who preached sermons in the book of Acts were cracking jokes and putting on a performance for their audience. They spoke of repentance. They spoke the truth, which cut people to the heart, and not this cotton-candy crap that pseudo-Christians of today preach.

Cyprian