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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (284165)	4/15/2006 8:07:06 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1572517

Europe's second plague. Teenager killed his sister for living a Western life From Roger Boyes in Berlin April 14, 2006 timesonline.co.uk AYHAN SURUCU was so angry when his sister started to wear make-up and date German men that he put a gun to her head at a bus stop and killed her. The 18-year-old Turk fired three bullets into her brain and calmly walked away. Boys at a nearby school, attended mainly by the children of immigrant Muslim families, cheered and applauded when news of the murder reached them. The so-called “honour killing” of Hatun Surucu, 23, last year shocked Germany and sparked intense debate about a conservative Muslim immigrant community at odds with a secular society. That anger was rekindled yesterday when Surucu, a minor when the murder took place, was sentenced to nine years and three months by a Berlin court, considered lenient by many Germans. His brothers, Alpaslan, 25, and Mutlu, 26, were acquitted because of lack of evidence, at which friends and family in the courtroom cheered. The prosecution had sought life sentences for their part in the murder of their sister. Passing judgment, Michael Degrif said: “It is inconceivable that someone can be killed for living a Western lifestyle.” Although she was brought up in Germany, Hatun was forced into a marriage with her Turkish cousin in east Anatolia. The marriage broke up and she returned to Berlin with her five-year-old child to live the life of a young German woman: going to discos, renting a small apartment, taking lovers and starting an apprenticeship as an electrician. She abandoned the traditional headscarf and wore fashionable jeans. Her three brothers were upset, as was her father. The state prosecutor had demanded that all three brothers be convicted. Ayhan, the youngest, had confessed to pulling the trigger but according to the prosecutor the two others had stood guard and obtained the murder weapon. They denied any involvement. The evidence of a crown witness, a Turkish girl who wore a bullet-proof vest when she stood in the witness stand, was deemed yesterday to be too flimsy for a conviction. Only Ayhan, 19, was jailed after admitting that he wanted to “wipe the stain from our family”. There are 40 “honour killings” a year in Germany and most of them result from the failure of an arranged marriage, which are illegal in the country.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (284165)	4/17/2006 2:09:26 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572517

Re: My point is that to capture a national view on race in America is nearly impossible.....if for no other reason... ...that rightwing conservatives and reactionaries have always sought to dismiss any attempt at compiling the flaws of the US social fabric. It's a classical, if captious, trick of rightwing ideologues to blur the issue of racism by splitting it into individual, meaningless, atomized behaviors --as I explained in the last paragraph of the following post: Message 21676182 Straight from the horse's mouth: Speak Now Against the Day: The Southernization of the United States What horse? Who the hell is Vernon Jordan and what does he know? This article was written in the 1990s and its already dated. For an example, blacks started returning to the South in the mid 1990s and now the black migration is south, not north. In facts, blacks also are leaving California for the South. Southerners and northerners have always had a rather different perspective on race. Many whites in the South think like Harris; that they are all one big, happy family. And that holds true until you talk to southern blacks and then you get a very different version. Northerners are torn between their liberalism and their fear of blacks and their own biases. And that's because in the North, blacks are more urban and more confrontational than their cousins in the South. And even that's not entirely true. I have told you that race is a complicated issue in this country as it is in the world. It differs from one person to the next. You would be wise to give it up here. For the first time in its history, Europe is going to have to deal with race right up front just like we have for the past 150 years. Then you will know what we are saying to you. Until then, you are only showing your ignorance. Its one of those concepts where you must be 'an insider' to understand.........just as we could never truly fathom the relationship between the Flemish and Walloons, and the concept of two legal and three official languages in one country, or the nature of the relationship between the Romanish and all Europeans, or the French obsession with their culture to the point where they must review their language every 5 years to make sure its keeping its purity. Their are certain charactisterics of every nationality that are only fully understood by the members of that nationality. Race is one of them in this country.