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To: bond_bubble who wrote (58580)4/18/2006 2:32:38 PM
From: shades  Respond to of 110194
 
Ayn Rand believed that US is more likely to become fascist than socialist.

Ayn Rand is totally discredited - what a hypocrite - she became a fascist in her own society of thinkers. She told her lover she MADE him and that she would BREAK him - so much for the self made man meme - HAHA!

In a socialist economy, the govt runs some business. In a fascist economy, the govt controls the bussiness (instead of running some).

What did mussolini say about corporatism?

publiceye.org

Mussolini on the Corporate State
by Chip Berlet

A Google(tm) search on January 12, 2005 turned up some 5,000 hits on the following quote:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

It is generally attrributed to an article written by Mussolini in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana with the assistance of Giovanni Gentile, the editor.

The quote, however, does not appear in the Enciclopedia Italiana in the original Italian.

It does not appear in the official English translation of that article:

Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism," Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.

And it does not appear in the longer treatment of the subject by Mussolini in:

Benito Mussolini, 1935, "Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions," Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.

Where the quote comes from remains a mystery, and while it is possible Mussolini said it someplace at some time, a number of researchers have been unable to find it after months of research.

(If you have a source for the quote based on an actual original document that you copy and mail us, please let us know, and you will receive a free 3-year subscription to the Public Eye magazine)

It is unlikely that Mussolini ever made this statement because it contradicts most of the other writing he did on the subject of corporatism and corporations. When Mussolini wrote about corporatism, he was not writing about modern commercial corporations. He was writing about a form of vertical syndicalist corporatism based on early guilds. The article on Wikipedia on Corporatism explains this rather well.

Here are some typical Mussolini quotes from original documents:

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State--a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values--interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people. (p. 14)

Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which diverent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)

Yet if anyone cares to read over the now crumbling minutes giving an account of the meetings at which the Italian Fasci di Combattimento were founded, he will find not a doctrine but a series of pointers… (p. 23)

"It may be objected that this program implies a return to the guilds (corporazioni). No matter!... I therefore hope this assembly will accept the economic claims advanced by national syndicalism." (p. 24)

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere. (p. 32)

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41).

Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism, Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.

The Labour Charter (Promulgated by the Grand Council ofr Fascism on April 21, 1927)—(published in the Gazzetta Ufficiale, April 3, 1927) [sic] (p. 133)

The Corporate State and its Organization (p. 133)

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)


Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.

By controlling, they will demand the business to hire/price control/salary reduction for management etc...

I see Hu Jintao going to get all our boeing MSFT secrets today - Steve Jobs stole from Xerox, Bill Gates stole from Jobs, Hu Juntao gonna show these amatuers what REAL piracy about - HAHA!

Modern day equivalent of war reparation will be the $ held by foreginers. This sowed the seed for Hitler then. This time, it could be some democrat party leader? I'm not too paranoid at this time ... but hey, anything can happen:)-

Be very afraid - whoever comes forth - it aint gonna be good. Workers and unions already putting pressure on schumer no? As the people become more outraged and chaotic - only a more outrageous and more chaotic person will lead eh? The governor of Alabma told george wallace - lead your people - don't be a mirror of them - well you saw what we got with him - HAHA - standing in the doorway of the university knocking horns with the national gaurd!



To: bond_bubble who wrote (58580)4/18/2006 2:39:25 PM
From: Oblomov  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 110194
 
John Lukacs has written that the government in the US since the 1930s is national socialist. We have two national socialist parties, with one party that is more socialist than nationalist, and the other more nationalist than socialist. Since nationalism is a more powerful motivator than socialism, the more nationalist of the national socialist parties tends to win elections...