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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185441)	4/20/2006 9:40:14 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Errata... the date of 3 April, 2001 when suicide pilots were being recruited, should read March, 2001... The month is the middle number. However, this is an even earlier date than the alleged April meetings with Al-Ani and the "hamburg student". Hawk

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185441)	4/20/2006 10:30:56 PM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

But the known evidence militates strongly against that conclusion: an eyewitness puts Atta in Prague, meeting with al-Ani; I believe that's a crock. telegraph.co.uk ...Czech police said yesterday they had no evidence that the ringleader of the suicide attacks, Mohammed Atta, met an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague earlier this year. Administration hardliners in Washington had cited the alleged meeting in support of their argument that Saddam Hussein's regime had been backing terrorism.... progressiveaustin.org ...In late April 2001, al-Ani was again caught casing the building, and he was expelled from the country. Then, in the chaotic days after September 11, a Czech intelligence source inside Prague's Middle Eastern community saw Atta's picture in the media and reported that he had seen the same person meeting al-Ani at the Iraqi Embassy five months earlier. Czech Prime Minister Milos Zeman publicly confirmed the story to CNN during a visit to Washington last November. But the uncorroborated report, some Czechs now concede, should have generated more skepticism. "These [informants] tend to tell you what you want to believe," says Oldrich Cerny, the former director of Czech intelligence. ... He saw his picture and remembered it from 5 months earlier! BS. You can barely believe eyewitnesses when they're intereviewed immediately after an event.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185441)	4/24/2006 1:56:43 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Your "facts" are opinion. From your source: "According to Laurie Mylroie, page 6 of the document is a memo from the command of an Iraqi air force base asking for volunteers for suicide missions: In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate Top Secret The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base No 3/6/104 Date 11 March 2001 To all the Units Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission "The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us. Air Brigadier General Abdel Magid Hammot Ali Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base Air Colonel Mohamad Majed Mohamadi." The above is the document "If this translation stands up to further scrutiny, it will provide a substantial answer to the question of Saddam's role in terrorism, both in general and specifically aimed at America. This memo will prove that Saddam had no intention of remaining neutralized in the region. He not only funded and encouraged terrorism, but he actively recruited terrorists from the ranks of his own military to carry out suicide attacks on American interests. Obviously, the terror missions could not be conducted under the color of Iraqi military or get traced back to them, otherwise the American forces -- especially under George Bush -- would almost certainly attack Iraq with everything we could muster. Saddam would also not be able to rely on his clandestine partners on the Security Council to wield their vetoes, as even France and Russia would have to acknowledge the right of the US to defend itself once Saddam initiated this kind of attack. So how would he hide the nationality and identity of these volunteers? He would have to "launder" them through another organization, one that would not necessarily immediately point back to Iraq -- like al-Qaeda." This is not fact. The last sentence is a conclusion not supported by the document itself. You should read your sources more critically.