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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: PROLIFE who wrote (23345)4/21/2006 7:55:51 PM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
More PROOF the bible is contrived.

'Gospel of Judas' Experts Review Scraps By M.R. KROPKO, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 29 minutes ago

CLEVELAND - An Ohio antiques dealer claims to be holding fragments of papyrus from ancient Egypt, leading experts to try to determine if they are part of the recently released "Gospel of Judas."

Translators in Switzerland are studying photos of the fragments, which were displayed briefly on Wednesday. There also are questions about what the writing on the fragments says.

Art and antiquities dealer Bruce Ferrini, of Akron, says he bought the fragments in 1998 but hasn't given any details about the source.

The Basel, Switzerland-based Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art, which also claims ownership of the fragments, said a number of the pieces clearly came from the volume of papyrus documents whose pages contained the gospel.

Mario Roberty, who leads the Maecenas Foundation, said it was unclear if any of the fragments corresponded specifically to the "Judas" text or could be other material that was also found in the ancient leather-bound volume.

The "Gospel of Judas" tells a far different version of the Jesus story than that found in the four Gospels in the New Testament. The roughly 1,700-year-old document portrays Judas not as a sinister betrayer but as Jesus' confidant, chosen to be told spiritual secrets that the other apostles were not.

The text was one of several ancient documents found in the Egyptian desert in 1970.

The fragments in Ohio are now under the control of lawyer Scott Haley, who is authorized by a court to pay Ferrini's creditors and displayed the pieces this week.

National Geographic, which had the Judas text translated and published, isn't drawing any conclusions about the fragments, saying they would have to be authenticated first.

Haley doesn't immediately plan to go through the expense of authentication, saying that the fragments would not have to be sold if enough money is raised from Ferrini's other assets to pay off creditors. He said he would not try to sell the fragments until the ownership dispute is resolved.

news.yahoo.com



To: PROLIFE who wrote (23345)4/21/2006 8:13:35 PM
From: LLCF  Respond to of 28931
 
No problem with that here... lot's of ideas about God however, I wonder who's god?? LOL

DAK



To: PROLIFE who wrote (23345)4/21/2006 11:39:38 PM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 28931
 
And created , and destroyed and created again .....dare we call it evolution?

I think it a magnificent thing that some caterpillars have
evolved to take on the appearance of bird droppings... is this intelligent design ?
dimijianimages.com

Yet not one Angel...masked , spotted , blue-footed, white craned or long neck has been spotted for over 2000 yrs ...when once upon a time their frequent visits & migrations to earth were legendary. And whence went the forked tailed , cloven hoofed horned devils and demons ?

( I've met an angel or two, how about you ?)

;)



To: PROLIFE who wrote (23345)4/22/2006 11:36:14 AM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Praise the Lord! Keep your fingers crossed PROLIFE this may return to a Town Square near you.

Book lifts veil on state's witch trial past

By Sue Vorenberg
Tribune Reporter
April 21, 2006

New Mexicans didn't burn witches at the stake or hang them, that just wasn't their style.

In New Mexico's largely unknown witch trials - from 1756 to 1766 - the accused were mostly thrown in jail, although some punishments were a bit harsher, said Rick Hendricks, co-author of a new book "The Witches of Abiquiu" from University of New Mexico Press.

Hendricks, a historian at New Mexico State University, and his co-author, Malcolm Ebright, director of the Center for Land Grant Studies in Guadalupita, kick off a book tour on the subject today from 3:30 to 5 p.m. at Zimmerman Library at UNM.

"One woman was tied to a carriage wheel until she confessed," Hendricks said. "Another woman was made to appear in Santa Fe Plaza and was the equivalent of tarred and feathered. Instead of putting tar on the individual, she was stripped to the waist and covered in honey, then the feathers were put on the honey."

Hendricks and Ebright started researching the trials a few years ago after a friend found documents and suggested the two study them further, Hendricks said.

The witch trials, which lasted 10 years, were launched by Juan Jose Toledo, a Franciscan priest who believed a group of American Indians living in the area had bewitched him and made him sick.

"A lot of what was going on was just Native American ceremonies, but it wasn't what Franciscans were used to," Hendricks said. "All those elements were pretty much viewed by this particular priest as witchcraft."

The American Indians were from several tribes - mostly from the Great Plains - and joined together in a Hispanicized colony called Genizaros, which lived near an outpost at Abiquiu during that time.

Witches or not, the American Indians may have wanted to harm the priest, because Toledo and the Spanish were suppressing their religious traditions, Hendricks said.

"The descriptions of some of the activities would be familiar to anyone familiar with some forms of black magic," Hendricks said. "They would make little dolls that would represent people. They would cause injury people by, say, twisting the legs of the doll."

There were tales of witches taking the form of animals and running around the community, or flying to meetings via broomsticks, Hendricks said.

Still, a bit more than 50 years after the Salem witch trials in Massachusetts, culture had evolved enough that Spanish authorities in Mexico City were reluctant to get involved in the squabble, Hendricks said.

"They were just sort of hoping it would go away," he said.

The priest performed exorcisms on some of the Genizaros; others were jailed or tortured.

"One of the things that's really interesting about it is that it's very late in time for that sort of thing," Hendricks said. "Salem was 1692. The middle of the 18th century, because of intellectual enlightenment, people didn't find those sorts of outbreaks of supernatural events as credible."

Carriage wheel torture and honey and feathers seems cruel today, but they were mild compared to the hangings and burnings in Salem, said Patty MacLeod, director of the Salem Witch Museum.

"There's kind of a formula for a witch hunt," MacLeod said. "You need an existing fear in a group or a community. Then you need an accusation of a trigger that plays into that fear. And then you have a scapegoat."

In 1692, the Anglos in Salem lived in a culture of fear, surrounded by American Indian tribes they didn't understand, MacLeod and Hendricks said.

"Salem was an area where there was a lot of Indian unrest," Hendricks said. "There was a lot of tension in the area. Most of the recent scholarship on Salem indicates that climate of fear had a lot to do with the outbreak there."

One of the more famous stories from Salem focused on the case of Giles Corey, who had rocks piled upon him in an effort to elicit his confession. Corey refused to confess to something he didn't do and right before he was crushed to death, he told his accusers "more weight," MacLeod said.

"He was a tough old bird," MacLeod said. "He was old and in his 80s, and he decided he wasn't going to give in to all this."

In Salem, fear of what was outside prompted accusations of witchcraft. In New Mexico, the priest was part of a small non-Indian group blaming the larger population of American Indians for his illness.

It was a culture of fear, but because the source was seen as outside the Spanish population, the authorities probably didn't take it as seriously, Hendricks said.

"Had it been Europeans, the Inquisition might have gotten involved from Mexico," Hendricks said.

"They wanted to know how many Spaniards were involved," but there weren't any, he added.

Eventually, the priest - who had some sort of growth in his abdomen - was cured by an American Indian healer, Hendricks said.

"He shouldn't have been involved with that sort of thing technically, as a priest," Hendricks said. "He didn't apologize to them after, not that we're aware of, but he came around to a different view."

While New Mexico's and Salem's witch trials are long past, the phenomenon of witch trials continues to plague society, MacLeod said.

It just takes different forms now.

"I think we've had some witch trials in the 20th century - like McCarthyism," hate crimes and racism, MacLeod said. "The fear comes from not understanding or ignorance of a person or culture. If you don't understand, then you become fearful and then you want to throw stones at it. I think that's how that happens."

abqtrib.com