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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (63140)4/22/2006 4:50:43 PM
From: John Carragher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206114
 
i love those who think a million is not enough to retire on.

i would have to review the life style of the middle class. do they still have a mortgage in retirement, new car payments , transportation to work, also income tax can drop substantially if you do not have fixed income and take a lump sum vs pensions. you can decide your tax base a year in advance. you can end up with only capital gains, dividends as income and maybe some small amounts of ira withdrawal unless roth ira then that too i believe is void of federal taxes.

let's assume you drop 20% in tax income each year, drop at least 10% in work related expenses. I have to assume somewhere these middle incomers were saving in 401k programs maybe 10/15% since they were in their high income years. it doesn't take long to see your requirements for cash is a lot less than than what ever number these money managers are selling to us. Now if 65 or 62 and married you will bring in between $20/35,000 thousand additional income from soc sec.

5% investments risk, above it just unacceptable.. wonder how many here feel investing in mutual funds , bonds, is not acceptable? too high a risk.! Let's figure another 2% income for non acceptable risk.

i think the average middle income person could live on $1 million savings per year... We are looking at $70,000 if at 7% and another $30,000 in soc sec benefits.

I reviewed a person recently scared of retiring from reading all this stuff saying he doesn't have enough money.. when he looked at his pension, soc sec, and living off 4% from savings he was making much more than when working.

yes, he maintains two homes one in northeast and one in Florida. does travel. however, he has no where near $1 million in savings.

retirement is all how you want to live. I know others who are multi millionaires and do not retire. they think they do not have enough money yet.



To: Bearcatbob who wrote (63140)4/22/2006 5:00:44 PM
From: tom pope  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 206114
 
I think you're right, and the place to start might be to decide what annual income you think will yield a very comfortable life style - x - and solve for the amount needed to give you x at 5%. $4MM net will give you $200k, and I think most people would consider that quite comfortable. Emphasis on net.