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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185710)	4/26/2006 4:28:34 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<given that Ahmadinejad has threatened to wipe Israel off the map, they already have sufficient "casus belli" to attack Iran.> Given that Israel has already stolen NZ property by trying to get and getting New Zealand passports for their secret agents [by disguising themselves as other people], they haven't gone out of their way to befriend the average Kiwi. But on the scale of 0 to 10 of evil-doing, I'd give them a pass on that since they were trying to protect themselves by passing themselves off as nice Kiwis who are generally trusted around the world and I'd put them at evil-doer rating of about 2. Iran's Islamic Jihadists who say they'd nuke Tel Aviv and get rid of the Jews should get a much nearer perfect score of about 8. The USA would come in at evil-doer rating of about 4. Japan would be about 1, which shows countries can change. They'd have rated a 9 for a while. Maybe I need a bigger scale such as 0 to 100 but that would imply precision which I don't have. Islamic Jihad is out to get us all in a small world. When they rant about wiping out Tel Aviv, they should not be surprised if they get wiped out. The average Iranian supports such genocide [since they elect the people who are all gung ho in favour], so it becomes a bit like total war as with the Japanese who were gung ho to take over China and everywhere else in the Asian area, stopped only when they were nuked at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It seems insane, but here we are in the 21st century with nuclear war lining up. My beloved NUN and the end of the scourge of war seems fairly distant still. Mqurice

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185710)	4/27/2006 8:30:59 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I guess it all depends on what rhetoric Ahmadinejad comes out with next... I don't think there is any sword rattling rhetoric that would result in the UNSC putting in a blanket statement of "all necessary means". They learned that lesson. They might settle for it if there were also words that explicity required a UNSC vote of which "necessary means" would be used. Maybe Rummy could get a hold of Curveball to see if he has any photos of semis being used as mobile uranium enrichment facilities. I'd bet that Israel could produce a good quality forged document of the an Iranian effort at weapons development. I don't know if you saw it, but the Russians have asked the US for proof that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. I suspect that we have less proof of that than we had on Iraq's WMD. And given that Ahmadinejad has threatened to wipe Israel off the map, they already have sufficient "casus belli" to attack Iran. Actually he hasn't. He predicted that Israel would be off the map. He didn't say Iran was going to do it. Nor has the Iranian government said they want nuclear weapons, in spite of what Bush has said to the contrary. There is no hope of coming to a lasting agreement with Iran as long as the west insists that Iran has no right for development of the full nuclear energy cycle. Which is a right they have under the NPT. jttmab