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To: Land Shark who wrote (65062)	5/11/2006 10:12:04 AM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

How's your moose?

To: Land Shark who wrote (65062)	5/12/2006 12:31:56 AM
From: Father Terrence	Respond to of 173976

Read your comment to Bill. If you're Canadian, I'm laughing. If you're a Brit, I'm roaring with laughter. Happy political correctness. :) Incidently, I don't make very many calls to the good Ol' US of A. Anyone living in MY Country has to obey the LAWS of MY Country. It's illegal to tap MY phone here without a court order. Yankers like you think that Americans don't have to obey ANY laws outside of the ones on their own soil.

To: Land Shark who wrote (65062)	5/12/2006 12:40:53 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 173976

Yankers like you think that Americans don't have to obey ANY laws outside of the ones on their own soil. That is qwuite posssibly the stuidest comment ever made on SI. Saudi Arabia has a law making the practice of any religion by Islam a felony. Do you think all other nations should be bound by their law? You don't like the fact that calls from foreign countries may be intercepted by the NSA? Then don't call here. Did you say you're British? The ECHELON system forms part of the UKUSA system but unlike many of the electronic spy systems developed during the cold war, ECHELON is designed for primarily non-military targets: governments, organisations and businesses in virtually every country. The ECHELON system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large quantities of communications and then siphoning out what is valuable using artificial intelligence aids like Memex to find key words. Five nations share the results with the US as the senior partner under the UKUSA agreement of 1947, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Australia are very much acting as subordinate information servicers. nsawatch.org YOUR gov't is in this too, fella!

To: Land Shark who wrote (65062)	5/12/2006 12:43:39 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 173976

Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls Newsmax \| December 19 2005 Comment: Here's Newsmax engaging in classic doublethink. Yes, Clinton did it and it was bad then too. Because a Democrat did it doesn't mean it's OK for Bush to do the same. During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon. On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices" when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants." But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private domestic telephone conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks. In February 2000, for instance, CBS "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft introduced a report on the Clinton-era spy program by noting: "If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance Network is called Echelon, and it's run by the National Security Agency." NSA computers, said Kroft, "capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world." Echelon expert Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told "60 Minutes" that the agency was monitoring "everything from data transfers to cell phones to portable phones to baby monitors to ATMs." Mr. Frost detailed activities at one unidentified NSA installation, telling "60 Minutes" that agency operators "can listen in to just about anything" - while Echelon computers screen phone calls for key words that might indicate a terrorist threat. The "60 Minutes" report also spotlighted Echelon critic, then-Rep. Bob Barr, who complained that the project as it was being implemented under Clinton "engages in the interception of literally millions of communications involving United States citizens." One Echelon operator working in Britain told "60 Minutes" that the NSA had even monitored and tape recorded the conversations of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond. Still, the Times repeatedly insisted on Friday that NSA surveillance under Bush had been unprecedented, at one point citing anonymously an alleged former national security official who claimed: "This is really a sea change. It's almost a mainstay of this country that the NSA only does foreign searches." prisonplanet.com You ready to knock Slick?