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To: Ruppert who wrote (196734)	5/14/2006 2:50:27 PM
From: dougSF30	Respond to of 275872

I just plain do not believe those speeds on those dates, as they are the same as the desktop chips. No, The desktop chips run up to 2.66, with 2.93 in Q4, and a 3.33 XE part sometime between launch and Q4. Core2/Merom use the same 65nm process as 32 bit Core But the design is different. There is no free lunch or magic huge energy saving improvements left. Maybe not, but there are non-magic reasonable energy-saving design improvements left, otherwise Intel would not have been able to have Merom 20% higher performing than Yonah at the same power. but AMD is sandbagging with its desktop chips due to lack of competition from Intel in the desktop space. At least one of those things is about to change.

To: Ruppert who wrote (196734)	5/14/2006 2:52:16 PM
From: eracer	Respond to of 275872

Re: Core2/Merom use the same 65nm process as 32 bit Core, and the energy saving of turning off the high half of 64 registers when running 32 bit code will bite Intel in the ass when Merom throttles on real 64 bit code. There is no free lunch or magic huge energy saving improvements left. All of the reviews so far show Core Duo offering competitive power consumption to single-core Turion ML in 32-bit benchmarks. If Merom runs considerably hotter in 64-bit code compared to 32-bit code then what magic fairy pixie dust will AMD use to prevent the same thing from happening to Turion when its power consumption is tested using 64-bit software? Or are you claiming Turion X2 will overheat in 64-bit benchmarks as well? Intel has missed its launch speeds badly on new CPU designs. I just plain do not believe those speeds on those dates, as they are the same as the desktop chips. The top Merom frequency of 2.33GHz is below the 2.4GHz and 2.66GHz desktop speeds, below 3GHz Woodcrest and below 3/3.33GHz Conroe XE. Even if Merom were to launch at 2.13GHz it would likely be a performance improvement over a 2.33GHz Yonah.