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To: jttmab who wrote (65897)	5/16/2006 2:04:59 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

I went to some length to clarify this point and yet you seem to have gotten it wrong. You might want to review what I presented. I will try to be brief here with another clarification.. <<<However, there are idea forms and associated value forms that are separate from any circumstantial and limited applications, or the judgements of people being affected by those applications;>>> ”Give me a value form in that is absent of the judgement of people. An idea may exist in universally identifiable form separate from any circumstance under which we might apply it. We may also associate the value of good or bad to some ideas and that value association may exist in form separate from any circumstance with which we pay apply it. I offered several examples and detailed explanation. A value form does not exist absent the judgment of people, my contention was the opposite. Value forms with common attributes of good or bad are universally identifiable. The judgments of people being effected by particular circumstance or application related to a form is not universal. Just as a judgment of what may be called ‘far’ is not universal. One child may say their home is far from school because they have to walk 7 blocks, while another child may say their home is far from the school they are attending in Chicago because their home is in India. A circumstance may be justly labeled good by one person and bad by another without effecting the nature of the idea form.

To: jttmab who wrote (65897)	5/16/2006 2:31:08 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

" Explain that without genetics. Genetics play a very prominent role in explanations of human behavior. I am not arguing otherwise, so your challenge is a little off target and off task. "Where are the boundries between idea forms and instincts? Does it really matter if there are any boundries at all? " Idea forms exist in the aether, the application we have been discussing is in temporal circumstance. Any boundary is defined by the distinction between the idea and its various applications. "And why would you distinguish between the human species and other species if attempting to discuss some dimension that exists outside of the four-dimensions? We are having a discussion about self awareness and self evidence. Not being a dog, I have no venue to broaden the discussion to include dog self evidence. I have had no problem including discussion of other species where our observations as humans on the conditions of other species may be qualified, and where pertinent to this discussion. "Are you desparate to differentiate yourself from other species? Does it frighten you that you might not be that different? On what basis are you are alleging that I am desparate or frightened in this regard. I am human, where as other non-human species are non-human. Uh??? hmmmm??? huh? "Does it frighten you that when your neural activity ceases that you might no longer exist?" Fair question, although a bit off topic. The answer is no. I have intellectually come to understand the concept I previously proofed for you, which I call eternal-presence. I have also intellectually come to understand a state of being that is associated with my humanness that seems to transcend, loss, injury, illness, physical and emotional traumma, and other types of changes to my human biology. So I don't have doubt about that part of my being connected to eternal-presence. However, that was something I already felt to be true before I intellectually dealt with a method of explaining it to persons such as yourself who do doubt such eternity of being. There is a great deal of mystery and very little in comparison that I actually accept as solid, but this much I do accept without hesitation. I can not think of a reason to fear otherwise.