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To: jttmab who wrote (66266)	5/18/2006 1:46:23 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Is it really necessary for me to continually retrace elements of this discussion that are already established? Here we go again… You: ”Time is merely a dimension to which we assign arbitrary measurements/standards. There are no limits within a dimension. You can pick points within a dimension, but that's arbritrary. Dimensions have no beginning or end.” Me: ”: … there are idea forms and associated value forms that are separate from any circumstantial and limited applications, or the judgements of people being affected by those applications; placing them in the dimensional context just as you have placed other concepts such as 'time' and 'distance'. So, idea forms do exist as we can universally recognize the form (as in your example of 'up') while finding practical and observable applications of the concept that are unique and/or circumstantial … correct? If you are going to allow for concepts, such as ‘time’ in our discussion, a discussion that started with an attempt to qualify the observable as it relates to self evident proofs, then you must allow other dimensional forms that can also be universally recognized by rational sentient beings.“ So please work through the following, so that rather than bouncing around we can attempt forward movement in this discussion. I think these rhetorical questions because we have already discussed them in detail: Does time have meaningful measures except as it applies to circumstance and material events in space? Do ideas exist in conceptual form that defies limit? Does value exist in conceptual form that defies limit? Can value be associated with an idea form that defies limit? Do ideas with an associated value apply to circumstance? Do ideas with an associated value have meaningful measures except as they apply to circumstance of material events in space? Is time real? Are idea forms real? Are idea forms with associated value real? Do you see the similarity, especially with reference to our topic ‘self evidence’. You: ”Generosity is not "measured" it is a human judgment. You're word gaming. There is a great deal of content that we have already covered related to the universal identification of idea forms and associated value and as unmeasured entity. In addition there is a great deal of content we have already covered which describes how and to what extent idea forms with associated value may be measured when applied to material events in space (even though that should be considered common sense). ”I could come closer by saying that temperature is a dimension, or light is a dimension. I doubt if there is a physicist out there that would agree with that." If that were true ... So what? That statement has little to do with the discussion we are having.