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To: see clearly now who wrote (187003)5/21/2006 10:38:21 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
You're aware that Hawkie IS a mercenary between gigs in Iraq? He's not just an uninvolved US citizen.



To: see clearly now who wrote (187003)5/21/2006 11:15:53 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawkmoon the US has created far more enemies then it has understood

So why are so many people still trying to come to this country, legally and illegally??

And who is it that we're "p*ssing off"?? The young people of those countries who desperately want economic and social progress, or the "old guard" who wish to preserve their established dictatorial power??

Most of us in Iraq had a general mindset with regard to dealing with the Iraqi people.. And I think that it translates very well to the rest of the world..

"No better Friend.. No worse Enemy..."

There are very few countries that have suffered economic and social regresssion from adopting similiar economic and social values that the US represents.

..too many special forces and espionage related agencies employed for the monied power brokers..absolutely nothing democratic about it..and the new generation are left to pick up the pieces from the 'BLOWBACK'.

Arnold.. our intelligence services are nothing in comparison to the ruthlessness of those of many of our adversaries. They never have to worry about their media or legislature criticizing their intelligence programs.

Their covert operations are seldom uncovered and exposed internally, and internationally, should they be exposed, they are generally IGNORED with a flippant "no surprise", or EVEN WORSE, "The Israelis or Americans were responsible" (like many claiming that the Bush administration was behind 9/11).

Arnold.. go off the beaten path, my friend.. Move to a place like Somalia, or Central Asia, or maybe even Bolivia or the dark and dangerous streets of Sao Paulo...

And if I remember correctly, you're living as an Ex-Pat in Mexico.. So the next time one of your Mexican friends suggests that he doesn't like the US, maybe you can have them explain 10% of Mexico's population is living in the US (ILLEGALLY)..

Hawk



To: see clearly now who wrote (187003)5/22/2006 1:04:08 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Respond to of 281500
 
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun May 21, 4:25 PM ET

MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.

Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.

In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.

In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.

Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."

Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.

Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.

After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.

"These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.

But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.

The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.

"There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.

"The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.

J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.

Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.

"This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."

Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.

Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."

Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.

But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.

news.yahoo.com