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To: Ilaine who wrote (19321)5/21/2006 1:45:35 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 541330
 
I'm glad it wasn't just me. I thought it was really obvious.



To: Ilaine who wrote (19321)5/21/2006 1:58:29 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541330
 
And also the boneheadedness

What's boneheaded about that? It's true. If waitresses were paid better, girls might aspire to be waitresses. Saying so in not only not boneheaded, it isn't anti-immigration reform. It's just economics.

I picked up on the icky nativism/racism right away.

Heavy influx of immigrants from one place is destabilizing. That is at least as obvious as your perceptions of racism. It's indisputable.

>>Their position is indemnified not only by stupidity and greed but by the fact that it is impossible to make a simple case for sovereign control of the borders without attracting nativists and xenophobes who pollute the argument with racism, protectionism and statist economics.<<

And it also attracts those who attribute nativism and xenophobia in everything and everyone to whom the nativists and zenophobics have attached. Basic interest group politics--forget the nuance, just call them all racists. Or moonbats. Or whatever.



To: Ilaine who wrote (19321)5/26/2006 8:53:14 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541330
 
Here's an example of how "the workers and their families who cross the borders are far more influential than even the destabilizing flow of goods from China"

"What makes Americans generally welcoming of immigrants, and what makes immigrants generally assimilable, is that this is a creedal nation, one dedicated to certain propositions, not one whose origins and identity are bound up with ethnicity. "

washingtonpost.com

If we import a critical mass of people from a culture that does not have a "creedal" attitude about nationality at an "unassimilatable" pace, we risk losing that element of of our culture. I think losing that would be "destabilizing."