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To: neolib who wrote (187486)	5/26/2006 3:19:35 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I forgot you are from SA. I dont want to argue with you about this one. All i will say is that you probably have some of that stockholm syndrome thing going on. Please dont take that out on the jews. (g) I do understand your points and the similiarites as you see it. In SA, the regime believed blacks inferior. In isreal that was never the case, although i am not stupid enough to believe that there arent bigots on both sides in the ME. And the israelis know that the WB/Gaza is not theirs, except for the 10% in disupute which is contigous and was what turned out to be the spoils of war so to speak. That little bit of land can more than be offset by some fair arrangement on Jerusalem and economic partnerships that will make the pals viable economically. Perhaps for this purose gaza and WB should be treated separately in the context of my regional benelux suggestion that would also include jordan. The future is the future and not just dwelling on the past. You are a good guy NL. I am sure although you lived there, you never directly partook in the mistreatment of blacks. Or if you did, which i doubt, you regret it and have made peace with yourself. Mike

To: neolib who wrote (187486)	5/26/2006 3:57:32 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Your focus is too narrow. This conflict was never just between the Arabs of Palestine and the Jews of Palestine. Had it been, its chances of solution would have been far better. No, the conflict is now and always has been between the Arab & Persian Muslim Middle East and its unwillingness to accept the existence of a Jewish state - in any boundaries - and its willingness to fight to the last Palesitnian to try to destroy it. Look at the Middle East and run down your list again 1) The differences are ethnic. 2) One side is far richer, has vastly superior military power, and is the result of more recent immigration. 3) The powerful side dominates the otherside, and controls the bulk of the areas resources and desirable property. 4) The likelihood of amalgamation as a means of ending the differences is zero. 5) There is considerable asymmetry in both sides views of their own kin vs. the other side. 6) Demographics favor a long-term shift in power from the earlier position 1. True. And cultural, and religious. 2. False. Israel is not richer than the surrounding Arab countries, and its population (6 million) is tiny compared to theirs (300 million), and its land mass is 0.01% of the Middle East. Nor does it have military superiority if you count men and material - quite the reverse. It's just always been better at using them. Nor was the wealth there when the Zionists arrived - they created it. 3. No; not even true anymore inside Israel & the territories; certainly not true in the surrounding states. Who has the oil? 4. True. 5. Also true; the Jews have the opinion of "justice" where both sides can make and argue claims; the Arabs think justice means that the Jews get nothing. 6. Yet to be determined.