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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (6968)5/27/2006 1:45:42 PM
From: Geoff Altman  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758
 
What part is unconscionable, Hysteria? Nothing has been disputed by the military

The fact that Murtha is talking about this in the press claiming guilt BEFORE the NIS has even concluded its investigation IS unconscionable.



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (6968)5/27/2006 4:25:34 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758
 
<< "What part is unconscionable, Hysteria? Nothing has been disputed by the military..." >>

What exactly do you think you prove with baseless name calling? Should I call you an idiot for your ignorance of the facts or a rube for your blind defense of lowlife leftists? Grow up!


In cold blood

Jack Murtha condemns Marines

by W. Thomas Smith, Jr
Townhall.com
May 25, 2006

Retired Marine Colonel and serving Congressman Jack Murtha (D-PA) has sold his soul: Not to the devil, but to his constituency. And as a former Marine, I urge him now to do the only honorable thing: relinquish his sword and his Eagle, Globe, and Anchor. At the very least, he should apologize to the Marine Corps and the American people for making an utterly outlandish statement in an attempt to keep the fire hot in the cut-and-run camp, of which he is a primary stoker.

At a press conference earlier this month, Murtha stated,

<<< “they [a squad of U.S. Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines operating in Iraq] killed innocent civilians in cold blood. And that's what the report is going to tell.” >>>

He was referring of course to the November 2005 action at Haditha, a remote farming community in Iraq’s Al Anbar Province, where Marines allegedly killed a number of innocent Iraqi civilians – including women and children – following an ambush launched against the Americans.

Keep in mind, “in cold blood” means “deliberately or cruelly; ruthlessly, showing no concern or passion, a complete lack of emotion.” In other words, killing without heart or mercy. How Murtha, who was not present with the Marines at the time of the action, purports to know how the men involved felt or what they actually did is beyond me.

Here’s what we know for a fact:

On the morning of November 19, a Marine Humvee was struck by a roadside bomb, killing Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas. Then, insurgents are said to have opened fire on the Marines from several directions. The Marines counterattacked. Several enemy combatants were killed, and apparently innocent civilians were, as well.

Within hours, I received an e-mailed press release from Multi-National Force West at Camp Fallujah, Iraq, stating:

<<< “A Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 2, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), was killed in action when his vehicle was attacked with an improvised explosive device attack while conducting combat operations against the enemy in the vicinity of Haditha.” >>>

The following day, I received a second release from the 2nd Marine Division at Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi, a portion of which reads:

<<< “A U.S. Marine and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha. Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small arms fire. Iraqi Army soldiers and Marines returned fire killing eight insurgents and wounding another.” >>>

Just how the civilians were actually killed has been the subject of a series of investigations. Some published reports indicate there were more than 15 civilians killed, including a three-year-old girl, and that they were killed as a result of raids on at least three houses believed to be harboring insurgents. A preliminary investigation was completed in March, and three Marine officers have since been relieved of command.

What we do not know are the particulars of what actually happened and why: and we won’t know until a more thorough investigation is completed in the coming weeks, followed by possible courts martial of those involved.

A recent editorial in National Review Online pegged the Murtha condemnation accurately:
    “The military’s investigation of those claims isn’t
finished yet, but Murtha apparently can’t wait for all the
facts to emerge before damning the accused.”
And an editorial in The Washington Times says the accusation is
    “not only irresponsible, but an egregious violation of
ethical conduct by a sitting congressman.”
Indeed, but how could he? How could a retired Marine officer possibly forget, not only from whence he came, but that all Americans – including his fellow Marines who are performing the most dangerous missions on the ends of the earth – are innocent until proven guilty.

Now, this is not easy for me to write. After all, Murtha spent 37 years in the Corps, starting out as an enlisted rifleman, becoming a drill instructor, later an officer. He served in Vietnam, was highly decorated, and ultimately retired as a Reserve colonel.

Murtha’s service to our country should be respected. But unless he retracts his statement and issues a public apology to the Corps, perhaps his title (Marine) should be stripped, even if the Marines involved are ultimately found guilty.

This has nothing to do with blind obedience to a cause on either side of the political fence, or lemming-like fealty to either party. It has everything to do with being “always faithful” to the Corps, respecting our Marines in the field, and above all acknowledging the fact that the Marines involved are accorded the presumption of innocence until the Uniform Code of Military Justice deems otherwise.

I’m not making excuses for those who may have done something incomprehensibly dark in the heat of battle. I pray they did not. If anyone is found to be guilty of committing war crimes, they should be punished; and if found guilty I am confident they will be.

But that is not the case as of this writing. It was not the case when Murtha accused unconvicted Marines of killing “in cold blood.”

When I was a young Marine-recruit, I was taught there is no such thing as an ex-Marine: Marines are either active, reserve, retired, former, or dead; thus the adage, “Once a Marine, always a Marine.”

The only ex-Marines were those whom did not make it through boot camp; or as we liked to say those not packing the gear to serve in the Corps. The only other way for a Marine to become an ex-Marine would be to shame or denigrate the Corps in such a way that he would essentially be excommunicated, which – it pains me to say – is what Colonel Murtha should be.

W. Thomas Smith, Jr. is a Townhall.com columnist who has written four books and penned over a thousand pieces for a variety of publications including USA TODAY, George, and U.S. News & World Report.

Copyright © 2006 Townhall.com

townhall.com



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (6968)5/27/2006 4:28:00 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758
 
And he's the best the Democrats have on the war issue

Power Line

James Taranto makes a great point about the comments of Rep. John Murtha regarding the investigation into whether U.S. troops committed war crimes in a November incident where 15 Iraqi civilians were killed in Haditha, Iraq. Murtha claims that an internal investigation will show,

<<< "there was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood." >>>


As Tananto notes, however, Murtha's description is self-contradictory because if the Marines "overreacted," then the killings were not premeditated. And if the killings were not premeditated, they were not in cold blood.

Moreover, if the killings were not in cold blood, then Murtha is slandering our troops by saying that they were. If the killings were in cold blood, then Murtha, in characterizing them as an overreaction to the pressure of the mission, is making an excuse for horrific crimes.

Tananto takes the analysis one step further when he points to the similarity of Murtha's "they were depraved because they were deployed" meme and the line that John Kerry peddled (based in large part on false allegations of war crimes) with respect to the war in Vietnam.

Murtha is what Kerry once was -- a darling of the Democrats by virtue of his ability to attack our military efforts under cover of his credentials. But all of the credentials in the world don't help when you contradict yourself in a single sentence.

JOHN adds: Jack Murtha is a disgrace. If there is one Congressman who deserves to be defeated in November, it's him.
And there is an alternative: the Republican candidate, Diana Irey. From a quick review, she looks pretty good. (No snarky comments, please.) From her web site, you can link to an interview in which she takes Murtha on where it counts--Iraq and the war on terror. She appears to be worthy of support. Let's at least make that miserable *** sweat.

powerlineblog.com

opinionjournal.com

bloglines.com

irey.com



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (6968)5/29/2006 9:12:12 AM
From: Proud_Infidel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758
 
Murtha should not be making accusations before all the facts are out and the investigation has been completed.

Nobody, whether a comgressman in DC or a journalist in NYC, knows what was going through these guys heads......after watching some of their own blown to smithereens fot he unpteenth time.

Easy to judge them, but not so easy to say when your breaking point would be. I am sick and tired of the people in air conditioned offices making judgements about people who are constantly in the enemies sights, are operating on no sleep, and in 120 degree weather. They have absolutely no clue!