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To: jttmab who wrote (187780)	5/31/2006 9:45:15 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I think that someone who states that the weather can't be predicted accurately in a two week period, should not be predicting hurricane count every year or predicting the the global climate will cool in 5-7 years. And I think you COMPLETELY missed his point. He's one of the world's foremost hurricane experts who has based his research on OBSERVED DATA, not solely on computer forecast predictions. His point is that Hurricanes come in cycles and THAT'S A FACT. El Nino comes in cycles. Solar maxes come in cycles. And that we cannot permit ourselves to incorporate Cyclical data into some computer model that tells us that current weather phoenomena are solely related to GW. And you also missed the point that as recently as the 1970's scientists were casting up the possibility that the world was entering another period of ice age, even though THAT cold weather was due to cyclical activities. You can't have GW and Global Cooling at the same time. Living in an apartment you may not be aware that one can overfertilize. And you may not be aware that I spent the majority of my youth in an agricultural community, surrounded by farms and dairies. So YES, I know you can overfertilize. But I'm not advocating pouring inordinate amounts of "fertilizer" in one spot in the ocean. And we're talking about iron dust and silicates, not petroleum based nitrates. And we're not going spread it on a fixed point where the excess fertilizer will remain latent in that spot until flushed away or removed. The oceans will distribute it. The difficulty is that there are no historical measurments of phytoplankton cycles, if there are some. That hasn't stopped scientists from referring to historical levels of C02, now has it? We REALLY HAVE NO IDEA just how high levels of C02 were just prior to the last ice age. And we don't know whether C02 levels fluctuated from location to location due to local environments. For example, if scientist pull a glacial core sample to measure gas content in the air bubbles, they can't be sure if the local CO2 contect of that sample was impacted by a dearth of phytoplankton in that particular area causing a temporary rise in CO2 levels. And theoretically speaking, they can't tell us if some massive volcanic eruptions caused temporary elevations of CO2 in that area. They take that sample and assign is as representative of the ambient levels of CO2 worldwide for that period. But back to the over-fertilization issue. If you over-fertilize you lawn, you have a couple of options. You remove the offending brown spot, flush the area with water and then replant. In the case of the oceans, it does both the flushing, and the replanting, and if need be, we can grow colonies of phytoplankton and then spread it over the "dead zone" to replant it. What you're not taking into account is that WHERE I'm suggesting we fertilize ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY "DEAD" (actually dormant). Scientists pursuing John Martin's theories have PROVEN that fertilization can result in TREMENDOUS INCREASES in phytoplankton in these "dead zones". disc.gsfc.nasa.gov It's an area that deserves FAR MORE RESEARCH in order to determine the extent to which phytoplankton export CO2 to the ocean depths. We're also due for a pandemic. That could solve the problem. If enough people die, there will be all sorts of benefits. I hope you're saying this with your tongue firmly planted in cheek.. If not, then your head is firmly planted up your @ss. Hawk