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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (76660)	5/31/2006 3:06:10 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Washington Times says Kerry 100% true-blue on his medals and honorary discharge. This is the meat of the conservative Times's investigative reporting summary on Kerry. And notice how one rightwing blogger's single lie (he calls it a "guess") gets spread to 1000's of rightwing websites. But spreading a lie doesn't make it any truer. " Some veterans, including those who served with him, are angered by Mr. Kerry's anti-war stances and his statements denigrating the military after he left active duty in 1970. Here are some of the charges brought by Internet bloggers and veterans opposed to Mr. Kerry: •Mr. Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge. "My guess is that he was discharged in the '70s but not honorably," said one blogger in a widely circulated e-mail. This accusation is refuted by Mr. Kerry's DD214, a separation-from-active-duty document. It was provided to him by the Navy and posted on his Web site, JohnKerry.com. Mr. Kerry joined the Navy in 1966, completed officer training and served nearly four years on active duty. He requested an early separation in December 1969, which was granted a month later. The Navy issued the DD214 that January 1970 that lists his "character of service" as "honorable." c A second charge is that Mr. Kerry did not successfully fulfill his time in the Reserves, so a special board had to be convened to determine what type of discharge he should receive. Navy documents show that in 1978, he received an "honorable discharge certificate" after a board of officers convened and reviewed his record. Navy officials say today that the board was standard operating procedure at that time for all reservists and does not indicate Mr. Kerry did anything wrong. After service just short of four years on active duty, Mr. Kerry transferred to the Ready Reserve and then in 1972 to the standby Reserve. He was not required to attend drills under those two designations, says a Navy official who asked not to be named. •A third charge: Mr. Kerry got his Vietnam War medal citations reissued in the 1980s because he was stripped of them for misconduct. Navy officials say that there is no evidence that Mr. Kerry's Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts were ever rescinded and that there is no evidence of misconduct in his records." * I hope this puts the debate to rest.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (76660)	5/31/2006 3:20:31 PM
From: JakeStraw	Respond to of 81568

Kerry’s Catch-22 americanthinker.com

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (76660)	6/1/2006 12:09:50 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

>>What he notes is that the Times is not citing Kerry's medical records for evidence. ... Now either the Times has the record or it doesn't. Logic would tell you that if it had the record, and the record supported Kerry, the record would have been cited. So either it doesn't support Kerry, or they don't have the record. If they don't have the record, it means Kerry hasn't released it. Why not, if it would support him or at least not contradict him? What's the simplest explanation here?<< Nadine - What he said was that the Times must have Kerry's medical records, and therefore the fact that they didn't cite them proves that the records show Kerry lied. Now ask yourself this question. If the Navy's own medical records did not support the idea that Kerry was wounded in battle and had therefore earned a Purple Heart, why would the Navy have awarded him a Purple Heart? Three of them, actually. Do you suppose the Navy didn't have access to its own records? There might be any number of explanations of why Kerry hasn't released the records. Maybe there's something embarrassing or highly personal in there that he just doesn't want everyone to know. Maybe he caught a dose of the clap in Saigon. Whatever. - Allen