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To: Stan who wrote (39339)	6/2/2006 11:27:13 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Stan I would like to interject a side note about the condition of mankind and our frailty towards evil. This is the dilemma of mankind and the greatest minds have never been able to solve it through man's efforts. We fool ourselves to believe otherwise, just like 2Mars who always seeks his answers in human reasoning. " 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7 Our only hope is Christ and spiritual renewal through his life, death and resurrection. James

To: Stan who wrote (39339)	6/3/2006 4:49:42 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

In your view, is this exploration ever over? Something John , as deep a philosopher as Christianity could have hoped for or true disciple as Rabbi Jesus could have longed for ... John was saying very neatly about comprehending/knowing (you can refresh this quote if incomplete) "the length, width, depth and breadth of things " What a remarkable challenge that is ? And goes fairly hand in hand with that little sign that Einstein had up on his door some 2000yrs later : Message 22508730 "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." So if life is a feast & a banquet we find ourselves in the midst of, and even more now that we know how much more expanded the extent of this world ties into a greater Universe .... when do you think that you will be able to sit at the table and be able to conduct/carry yourself with enough humility , restraint, deepest respect , awe , presence of mind , dignity & confident wisdom, exhiliration ....plus above all good manners and tolerance to repay this greatest of all gifts we call Life ? To use much of the time for deeper reflection and growth as the philosphers advised and not be undone by unavoidable events part of the nature of the world yet unchanged ? So many things are relative or so it seems at first glancing ...the happiness and contentment that is found by missionaries when they go to preach and minister to the nomads of southern Sudan which are only small family units wandering from shade tree to shade tree surving on roots ,lizards and insects . How could these people still be happy & know contentment being almost the poorest humans in existence ? It was something that just baffled the missionary to see and cause for some more review & reflection . They have no painkillers or dentists .... no hospitals to go to in the case of injury , no possessions or home that we imagine for ourselves . Yet they marvel at being alive such as they are , and do love each other . So when does it end ? Now that we know those poorest of human innocents living on the edge of nothing are being hunted down and massacred by armed bands of the "faithful".?

To: Stan who wrote (39339)	6/3/2006 5:25:40 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

And if it is ever over, what shall be the result of it all? How much time & energy has been put into this theological area that somehow receives such a great deal of attention and could matter so little . In 70ace the world for some was effectively coming to an end and they "believed" . One thousand years later , people were scrambling to give away all their possessions to the church for the "End" which they had decided fervently was to come . I think that essentially in the rawness and reality of this rolling vast Universe at large , there is no ending ...nor would imagine a God that would be so inclined to do something so obvious that would please our limited minds & childlike fantasies . It would be more akin to the spirit of any such vast Being to be able to confound us even once again by revealing at the last -->there was no beginning nor will ever be an ending to it all . The first purest impressions are sometimes the most revealing where you have the earliest reflections of the Hindu sages & philosophers that percieved a world in constant change and a universe having no beginning or ending in one sense , yet being created and undone every single moment . Where the Jew imagined a world numbering only generations of men , the Hindu sages saw the world in terms of ages of one cycle of the universal overmind "Brahma" , calculated today still roughly equals some 4 1/2 billion yrs . Often the simplest purest analogy sometimes that comes to our minds in deepest reflection comes closest to what may be true . Probably a truer model of the Universe is that of a great tidal ebb and flow that is infinite . Modern physics which so few people really know , supports this kind of view . But nothing theologically is upset one way or another , the same challenges remain for us whether a beginning or not , we still are left with our own local sphere in which to manage and front yards to keep clean and tidy . But it was only a century ago there was still child labor & widespread poverty not to be believed even in America.... so much racial hatred & ignorance both here and abroad leading to the great Wars that produced some of the bravest responses by some fantastic thinkers who prompted us to look hard and fast deeper into the mystery of why such things still fill the minds of human beings towards each other with such miraculous invention and technology which could free almost all. The advances made in anthropology revealing the kinship all men share , etc...the miracles of medicine and the beauty of those healers that are still always with us in the world , to give thanks for . The Greeks and that world at the time gave special thanks and built many temples to Asclepius son of Apollo for centuries .... who as a mortal and crucified but later resurrected , because he chose to use his healing powers to bring people back from the dead against the laws of God . But God forgave and adopted him in the "end" making him an immortal .....nice story and true . Healers are some of humanity's most valued treasures across all distinctions , religions , races , nationalities etc ...and still to this day some of the finest people universally any of us can know. lucky us huh ?!?;-)