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To: Bilow who wrote (188300)6/4/2006 8:56:18 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Yes, but the crime that the Marine unit is accused of is massacring a group of civilians. Of the examples you've given, only the " Balangiga massacre of 1901 in the Phillipines" involved significant numbers of civilians, and even that one was also a massacre of enemy combatants.

Actually, if you would read my posts, and the links I provide, you'd see that you're incorrect and could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

en.wikipedia.org

The Canicattì slaughter was a war crime committed by Allied forces during the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, in which at least a dozen unarmed Italian civilians, including six children, were killed by U.S. troops under the command of General George Patton. The town of Canicattì had already surrendered when U.S. troops entered, following heavy German bombardment during their withdrawal. Civilians had been rounded up and herded into a bombed soap factory where they were shot by U.S. military policemen. The incident was covered up fearing that it would lead to reprisals from the civilian population.

No amount of command and control is going to stop this sort of thing from breaking out. Our guys are under incredible pressures. You and I probably both know that those civilians could have saved their lives if they'd been a bit proactive at preventing the insurgents from using their front yards as a place to set up an ambush. Maybe their neighbors picked up the lesson.

It doesn't matter WHAT KIND of war we're involved in, soldiers who are facing death each day, and especially amongst a portion of the Iraqi population that is particularly hostile to their presence, are going to be involved in illegal actions. Whether it be looting, raping.. or actually engaging in massacres, it's a part of war. And it the reason we have Military Police, a Provost Marshal, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

But while this sort of thing may make a Marine unit a bit safer, it makes the war as a whole that much more impossible to keep up. Forget the effect on the Arab public, what do you think the effect on the American public is? How much longer do you think we're going to stick around?

It alls depends upon which part of the "American Public" you're referring to. Obviously if the portion you're referring to are people like you who have always been against overthrowing Saddam or trying to create democratic institutions in Iraq, then obviously we'd already be out of there and Al Qai'da and the country would be FULLY ENGROSSED in all-out civil war between Sunnis and Shi'a (the agenda of BOTH of the more militant factions of both sects).

But hopefully cooler heads will prevail and understand that if we don't accomplish creating democracy in Iraq, we're going to find ourselves back in a few years, fully mobilized and in a regional war to defeat Islamio-Fascism.

Because if we don't stay the course and create democratic governments based in the legitimacy of their electorate, then the only alternatives will be brutal dictatorships, or even worse, religiously inspired totalitarianism.

And you think our soldiers are under pressure now? Wait until we find ourselves taking on SEVERAL countries at the same time, should they evolve into a new Caliphate. Then it won't just be 150,000 soldiers there, but possibly a million or more.

That's the whole purpose of this "exercise".. Try and create an alternative to Islamo-Fascism NOW, so we don't have to find ourselves in a full-scale, knock-down, drag-out with child human bombs charging our men.

I don't want to be in a situation where we find ourselves having to kill thousands of child martyrs..

Hawk



To: Bilow who wrote (188300)6/4/2006 9:10:04 PM
From: bentway  Respond to of 281500
 
This is Abu Sif (Isahaqi):



Our tax dollars at work..