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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/6/2006 1:31:41 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 1729

Manjoo Errs In Fact, Knows Very Little About Ohio Election Law fraudbusterbob.com <<...There is far more wrong with Manjoo’s silly, superficial attack. But in conclusion, it appears that Manjoo, in his zest to be the great “de-bunker” of grassroots activists and progressive writers, simply creates his facts as needed. No surprise that he thinks Bush won. After all, he seems to adopt the same intelligence-gathering methods Bush used in Iraq which are favored by Fox News. His approach reminds me of that famous quote from Ronald Reagan, “Trust but verify.”...>>

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/6/2006 1:47:41 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 1729

No smoking gun weblog.timoregan.com "[Manjoo appears] to be expecting a smoking gun with Karl Rove's fingerprints on it to have been found in a ballotbox marked 'fraudulent votes.' What Manjoo fails to understand is that fraud - by it's very nature - is deceptive. You're not supposed to be able to prove it was fraud if it was perpetrated correctly. That's the whole point! But the fact -- which Manjoo acknoweldges -- that the Republicans perpetrated some fraud and managed to disenfranchise some voters would seem to indicate a pattern of illegal activity. When you have a pattern you can start to deduce motives (pretty obvious in this case) and likely perpetrators (again, obvious). Whether or not the election was stolen is irrelevent: There needs to be an investigation!"

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/6/2006 1:51:09 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 1729

A Semi-Comprehensive Quizzing of Manjoo's Rebuttal of RFK Jr. dailykos.com

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/10/2006 12:58:47 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1729

Bushie election fraud in Ohio 2004 was rampant and outrageous. RFK's estiumate of how many votes were stolen is realistic, though we may never know who really won that election. Christopher Hitchens, a Bush supported, investigated and found at least 35,000 votes were stolen by Bushies. Plus RFK exposed new revelations about entire counties controlled by the GOP with outrageously unrealistic numbers, like 97% turnout, where black districts only had 7% turnout. That is impossible, of course, and signals gross fraud.

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/10/2006 1:01:20 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1729

Ohio ELection Fraud #2. The Diebold factor is not even included in RFK's claims. The CEO of Diebold promised to deliver Ohio for Bush in 2004 and we now have proof those machines can be fixed to swing an election. And now look. Diebold's lobbyist is giving the GOP more money. This proves the company that insisted on paperless voting machines was 100% on Bush's side and could have stolen the election. But even without Diebold, RFK proved 350,000 votes could have been stolen by Bush. Simply put, we need ann investigation, but the Bushie congress refuses to. Diebold Lobbyist Donates $10,000 to Blackwell Campaign June 9, 2006, 06:56 PM COLUMBUS (AP) -- Forty-nine of the 85 people who this year have given Ohio secretary of state Kenneth Blackwell the maximum $10,000 allowed an individual donor have done so since May 2. Members of Cincinnati financier Carl Lindner's family led the way by combining for $90,000. The maximum-donor list also includes Mitch Given, who is a registered lobbyist for Diebold Election Systems, one of the vendors of voting machines for election boards in Ohio. Blackwell's office approved Diebold's selection as a vendor and negotiated the price for the machines, although the counties chose the machines. Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo said the May 15 contribution came well after Diebold signed a contract with the state to provide the machines in February 2004 after bids were submitted by the vendors. LoParo also pointed out that Given lobbies for other companies and is a frequent contributor to GOP campaigns. Given also donated $10,000 to Betty Montgomery's campaign a week after she dropped out of the governor's race to run for attorney general. "It's important to note that he did not contribute to Secretary Blackwell during the bidding process," LoParo said. Messages seeking comment were left at Given's office and home. When Blackwell discovered in April that his investment firm had acquired stock in Diebold, he ordered it sold immediately. He said his portfolio is operated like a blind trust, and that he only found out about the Diebold stock when his ethics disclosure statement was filed. Forty-nine of the 85 people who this year have given Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell the maximum $10,000 allowed an individual donor have done so since May 2. Members of Cincinnati financier Carl Lindner's family led the way by combining for $90,000. Blackwell got $430,000 from the Ohio Republican Party on the day of the primary. Ohio GOP chairman Bob Bennett, who didn't take sides in the primary, said he held back until he was certain Blackwell would win. The last-minute donation also means the party can give a similar amount for the general election, Bennett said. Despite the considerable donations Blackwell by Republican heavy-hitters since he won the May 2 primary, he trails Democratic nominee Ted Strickland 2-1 in cash available for the November election, finance reports filed Friday showed. Strickland raised $2 million during the April 12 to June 2 reporting period and had $2.6 million on hand. Blackwell, who spent more than $1.2 million late in his primary fight against Jim Petro, raised $2.2 million and had $1.3 million in his account with five months to go in the campaign. Petro raised $255,000 and spent $572,000 down the stretch. Strickland, a U.S. House member from Lisbon, trounced little-known former state Rep. Bryan Flannery in the primary. Strickland received $365,000 from the Ohio Democratic Party on the day of the primary. Twenty-six of the 91 donations of $10,000 Strickland has received have come since May 2. Maximum donors to his campaign included Peter Lewis of Cleveland, president of Progressive Corp., the nation's third-largest car insurer. Strickland is seen as the Democrats' best hope for the office they haven't held since 1991, when former Gov. Richard Celeste finished his second term. Democrats expect to be more competitive this year because of an investment scandal that has tainted Republican Gov. Bob Taft's administration and a lobbying scandal in Washington. Posted by PJS The Associated Press contributed to this report.

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (687)	6/15/2006 1:12:18 AM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1729

Glenn, I'm calling you out as a cynical liar. If you read the articles of RFK Jr., and Christopher Hitchens (a democrat and a conservative agreeing on this) Ohio 2004 had the most outrageous election fraud on the Bushie GOP that we have ever seen, even worse than Florida 2000. And that is not even including many of the alleged Bushie misdeeds, like the fact Diebold's CEO promises to deliver Ohio for Bush in a private meeting, and had control of 800,000 votes he could control with a click of a mouse. It is obvious that if the election were not stolen at least 50,000 votes were stolen in this single state, which makes it a tie, and that's being very charitable to the GOP. Millions of Americans have died to defend our democacy. Even if the cheaters are on your side, you must agree as I do that all cheaters should be condemned, investigated, busted and taught a very severe lesson, regardless of party. Life in prison for every one of the Ohio GOP conspirators. Agreed? It's that important. If we can't trust our democracy, what can we trust? Without democracy we are no better off that those who lived under Saddam.