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To: LindyBill who wrote (168707)	6/6/2006 10:38:59 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793820

I carefully read that entire post and basically agree with everything he said. One thing for sure, the Marines NEVER leave even their dead behind. We were taught that right in Boot Camp and it was never not ingrained in our thoughts. Believe it or not, men going into combat do in fact get some relief knowing that no matter what they will be going home and not left alone to rot in some forgotten field. jdn

To: LindyBill who wrote (168707)	6/6/2006 11:41:33 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793820

I was listening to NPR talk radio last week with a military historian on the subject of atrocities, and a veteran of WWII called in to talk about something that happened in France (I think it was the Malmedy massacre, Battle of the Bulge). The Germans massacred a group of Americans who surrendered. He said afterwards Americans didn't take prisoners. Or rather, they took prisoners but the prisoners never made it back. It's true that these things happen in war. It's also true that they spawn a cycle of revenge.

To: LindyBill who wrote (168707)	6/6/2006 2:21:51 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793820

For the first time ever, I am in agreement with Pat Buchanan.... What Haditha portends >>>>>>>>>>> The truth is the public does not believe the protestations of the press about the nobility of its motives. To many in Red-State America, the media do not just expose wrongdoing. They revel in it, rejoice in it, profit from it, as it enables them to preen as morally superior to those hapless souls whose sins or scandals they have uncovered. Invariably, the media seem not to seek to minimize, but to maximize the damage done to the institutions and the individuals whose failings or crimes they have revealed. Listening to the breathless reports of Haditha, noting the glee and excitement in the voices of some correspondents, anchors and talking heads, one senses anticipation about what is to come.<<<<<<<<

To: LindyBill who wrote (168707)	6/6/2006 2:45:39 PM
From: rich evans	Respond to of 793820

The morality of war is a difficult matter in the both jurisrudence and philosophy of good and evil. We bomb cities knowing a lot of civilians will die. We call it collateral damage. We take out a taliban house with hellfire missles filled with bad guys and their wives and childeren in the Hindu Kush knowing we will be killing all. So the Marines as near as I can speculate, get into a firefight with bad guys who have blown up there buddy. The kids and wives are there to. In fact they know what is going on and help as lookouts and providing food/meals/shelter. So the Marines go in and kill the bad guys and all their family in the houses. What is the morality? This is a hypothetical. If this was conventional war killing lookouts, and supply/support people is OK. But in this war it gets complicated. In the bombs on the cities , this is OK. Collateral damage. Conscious disgregard of a known risk. In the hellfire missle , a little higher standard. A specific house and we know we are killing all inhabitants including woman and children. Willful intent but not specific intent. In the Marines case it depends on the fact. They attack the house and fire away killing all inside. Similar to the hellfire missle. Or did they line them up and shoot them. This is specific and the highest moral problem. The evidence will come out but my guess is that they attacked the house and killed all inside in a firefight with the bad guys and their supporters , woman and children. Not much different then the CIA hellfire missle in Pakistan. I would like to defend the Marines. Rich