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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (188583)	6/6/2006 7:15:38 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

My objections are with the rightwing's use of the war/occupation jargon to make people think they accomplished what they set out to do. This is how I see it playing out: 1. Rightwingers repeat that Dubyette won the war. 2. Rightwingers then say that the occupation was messed up but Dubyette still won the war. 3. Rightwingers blame everything on the 'goat' who appears to be Rumsfeld today but Dubyette still won the war. I heard General Batiste on Ed Schultz today. I thought it was interesting that he (registered Republican, voted for Bush twice) separated his condemnation of Rumsfeld from his opinion of Bush. He didn't really want to talk about Bush but he wanted Rumsfeld to resign, resign, resign. I figure that the rightwing is out to separate the occupation's chaos from the ease of the war in order to escape blame for the mess that is Iraq. They've already tried to blame it on Jihadists/AQ/OBL/Zarqawi, on Syria, on Iran and the corporate US media. Rumsfeld may be their mega-goat who can take all the blame with him when he gets kicked out of the village. If there's still fighting, the war's still on. In fact, it's pretty clear that Iraqis melted back home so the 'ease' of the 'war' was just another fabrication.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (188583)	6/6/2006 10:24:24 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The American people are figuring it out but they won't call it cutting and running. We are, after all, Americans so we'll call it "their fault," whoever "they" are and keep that feel-good thing about how noble our efforts were and how all those kids died for a good cause. Sometimes being stupid has its rewards. Yeah, the reward is that we'll do it again and again. Whoopee. "They" will be people like you and me and the others who "aided and abetted" the enemy, and allowed them to win. After all, if the great American people were united and had the "will" to stay united, we would defeat anyone anywhere anytime. Capiche?