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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dan B. who wrote (77042)	6/11/2006 11:41:54 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

It's time you realized that a whole mess of coalition nations agreed with the Iraq war, despite what some other nations had to say. So what? It is about a widespread agreement to respond. Those who agreed with the war then did so on the basis of the manufactured data presented to them. Now we know that the data was manufactured. Why is NATO in Afghanistan but not in Iraq? NATO did not agree with the Iraq war. The UN did not agree with the Iraq war. Why aren't folks talking about that? Bush failed to convince them. And because they along with Germany and France did not agree with Bush, the Bush propaganda machine unleashed attacks on them. Bush did manage to develop a war hysteria in Dc and elsewhere. The hysteria is reminiscent of the war hysteria Hitler built up among the Germans. I see no difference between your blind following of Bush on Iraq and those Germans who blindly supported Hitler when he set out on a conquest of other nations.

To: Dan B. who wrote (77042)	6/12/2006 10:58:35 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

>>It's time you realized that a whole mess of coalition nations agreed with the Iraq war, despite what some other nations had to say. So what? It is about a widespread agreement to respond. Bush should simply replay the Stones' "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood." Bush's intentions are, perhaps to emulate Reagan with "Axis of Evil" being akin to "Tear Down that Wall." His further intentions are to incentivize evil to back off, and I would think, to open the doors to inspection of allegedly innocent proceedings.<< Dan - The nations who joined the coalition did so for a variety of reasons. A combination of pressure and "incentives" was applied. For a lot of smaller countries, it always seems like a good idea to keep the U.S. happy. The idea that they all joined because they were convinced the case for war was legitimate is simply naiive. Even if they did believe the case made by the U.S., as we've seen, the case was at largely based on misinformation. Bush's intentions may actually be benign, as you believe. It's quite apparent that you have a strong interest in believing in the Bush's fundamental goodness. But Bush doesn't make the decisions alone. The core neo-cons in his administration are the ones pulling the strings, and their intentions are questionable. - Allen PS: Bush's version of the Stone's song is "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderestimated".

To: Dan B. who wrote (77042)	6/12/2006 12:30:02 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 81568

"Axis Of Evil" was a stupid speech. It has no similarity to "tear down this wall" at all. Reagan didn't say that until the Soviet system had already fallen, glasnost was a reality, Gorbachev had survived the coup from the rightwing hardliners, Germany had agreed to unify and all that was left was that old symbolic wall. Bush's "Axis Of Evil" speech made Iran and North Korea much more dangerous, accelerated their weapons programs and closed their doors to ever trusting the Bush administration. In fact the entire problem in Iran these days can be traced back to that speech. As for Iraq, sure Saddam was "evil" but he had nothing to do with 9-11 or terrorism and the way Bush blundered into Iraq without a plan actually made Iraq more dangerous to the US and our interests. We will be extremely lucky if we leave Iraq better off that it was under Saddam. Islamic extremists are much more anti-American than Baathists. In fact, in the 80's Reagan and Saddam were allies.