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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (20773)	6/12/2006 5:50:59 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541183

Not to worry. After 3 weeks in release, An Inconvenient Truth has grossed $3.9 million. Not fair to compare it to X-Men, but that's the only other movie with 3 weeks in releast, $174 million gross. movies.yahoo.com Comparing apples and apples, Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11 grossed $23.9 million its first weekend in release, and $222 million total gross worldwide. Al Gore, eat your heart out. boxofficemojo.com Maybe Gore should have let Michael Moore do An Inconvenient Truth!

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (20773)	6/12/2006 5:55:46 PM
From: Jim S	Respond to of 541183

It may be far more cost effective to develop plans to adapt to climate change rather than try to prevent it. Ahh, a voice of reason. Thank you. We still talk about the "theory" of evolution, but we're supposed to accept catastrophic global warming (with no caps) as an accepted fact? We're supposed to be ready to destroy our economy and America's standing in the world because of it? The fact is, we don't know for sure if we're really in danger or not, and we really can't believe those who fervently try to convince us one way or the other. Personally, I'm more inclined to worry about asteroids and volcanos than global warming. And I'm not particularly worried about those, either. Beware purveyors of panic.

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (20773)	6/12/2006 6:11:40 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541183

You may wish to look at some of the mass balance studies of the ice on Antarctica and Greenland. You will find that there is no consensus that either is loosing ice. The consensus is that increases in global temperatures (up to about 3 deg C.) melt the edges of the glaciers but lead to thickening of the glaciers at higher elevations due to increased precipitation. You might wish to offer links to those observations so I can check them out. Elizabeth Kolbert has a bit about this in her recent book, which is likely to upset you because she uses the word "catastrophe" in her title. Ah, well, we can't all please the right wing wordsmiths. amazon.com She notes that is much like the observation that one of the paradoxes of global warming is that the western portions of Europe including England are likely to get much colder as it progresses. While much of the rest of the globe is warming. Gulf stream and all that. It does appear that the average global temperature has recently been rising at about 0.2 deg C/decade. How much of this is due to human activity is unknown. You offer yet another observation without a link, without substantiation. As for the contribution of human activity, I offer you, once again, the observation from the Gore movie, completely uncontradicted to date, and made elsewhere, that of the referreed articles (something well north of 500) in prestigious science journals in recent years (can't recall exactly how many years) which address the issue of global warming and the contribution of human activity to it, none argue there is none. The scientific consensus is that there is such. Simply no debate on that point. It is also unknown whether or not humans can do anything to stop climate change. Yet another unsubstantiated, unlinked observation. Go read the literature, see the Gore movie, try to engage the people who care and write about it. The consensus so far in what I've read is that no end of things can be done about it. Whether they are enough, just what costs they amount to, etc., is all up for grabs, but no one, absolutely no one in the circle of those who care enough about the issue to devote their life work to it (the scientists for one ), argues nothing can be done.