To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (189382 ) 6/15/2006 2:17:54 AM From: Elroy Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 Before 1948, the country was called "Transjordan". The answer is No. No Jews were allowed to live in Transjordan. Sounds like Transjordan sucked and would not deserve US support if it existed today.Jews did own land & live in areas of the Mandate of Palestine that were taken and occupied by Transjordan in 1948. These areas include what is today called the Gush Etzion settlement bloc, and the Old City of Jerusalem. When Jordan took these places, they ethnically cleared them of Jews and tried to destroy all traces of Jewish history. They destroyed 53 synagogues in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem. Yup, Transjordan sucked!And tell me, how is it that if Jews are accused of ethnic exclusion, it's absolutely unacceptable, but when you point out that Arabs do it in a big way, it's excused as "cause and effect"? Arabs and Jews lived together in most ME countries until the formation of Israel. There is your cause. Had Israel not come into existence you would likely have Jews today living throughout Arab lands as they had for thousands of years.There are large minority populations throughout the Mideast. The Arabs always treat them badly. Yeah, the Arabs are a pretty backwards collection of people.So far, only the Jews have had the effrontery not only to gain national independence, but to flourish in a way that puts the Arabs to shame. The Kurds and the Copts would like to follow, I'm sure. The Arabs won't accept that either. Is that proof that non-Arabs have no right to self-determination? "Right" is the wrong word to use here. Nation states (or at least external organizations) grant rights to their citizens. My issue is not whether non-Arabs have the right to self determination; rather, it is whether US support for Israel is in the US's and the world's interest. For the reasons listed in a previous post, I say no.