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To: MrLucky who wrote (21065)	6/15/2006 10:14:06 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541202

Accuracy in media would require we say: Some (or we could even use "a few") Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists, (in the opinion of some scientists) By Tom Harris Monday, June 12, 2006 canadafreepress.com "Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do some of the world's climate experts actually think about the science of his movie (we took to the streets to interview only those experts opposed to Gore's position)? ........... Carry on...

To: MrLucky who wrote (21065)	6/15/2006 10:23:46 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 541202

"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth",.... With that statement, Al Gore saw that coming from scientists like Professor Carter.

To: MrLucky who wrote (21065)	6/15/2006 10:41:24 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541202

Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists By Tom Harris Monday, June 12, 2006 canadafreepress.com; Questions: 1) Who is the Canada Free Press? What sort of media is it? Where does it get its funding? 2) There is no challenge to the Gore assertion of consensus on human contribution to global warming, one of his central consensus claims. 3) I don't doubt that it's always possible to find critics. One can, of course, find critics of just about any assertion, critics who come to their criticisms from a variety of motives. 4) Most of these challenges assume the assertions are built on one data point. The method of attack is to then to find some flaw in that one data point, a flaw, incidentally, which is almost impossible for a layperson to research. However, the global warming arguments are based on multiple data points. 5) Thus, I read this as simply attack mode, not an attempt to take Gore's arguments seriously. What do you think?

To: MrLucky who wrote (21065)	6/15/2006 2:40:16 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541202

Politicizing the Global Warming issue will ravage a healthy society and drastically interfere with genuine scientific endeavors to effectively deal with the issue. Science has often been politicized into a popular politic; once that occurs, it becomes immune to caution or criticism, usually resulting in devastation. What are some common factors of mixing politics and science? 1) Critics are dismissed or harshly dealt with. 2) The basis in fact or science is unsettled. 3) Groups with other agendas are bandwagoning the movement because it appears high-minded and provides a springboard for other issues. 4) Claims of superiority are used to justify extreme actions. 5) The abstract cause is said to be greater than any human consequences. 6) Vague terms with no agreed upon definition are employed in the service of the new crisis. 7) Propagandized rhetoric to promote a particular party or movement. "when the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." (Alston Chase) Regards, gem