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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (189507)	6/16/2006 8:49:28 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is like steel cage wrestling matches. 3 guys whose stuff i love to read fighting to the death over words. I'll join the three of you--lets have a beer and talk about women. Or better yet, lets have some women and talk about beer? Politics can get you down.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (189507)	6/16/2006 9:48:58 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Net positives to Hitler? >> Are we talking about 1999 or 2006? Mostly I am talking about 1948-1999. During this time: - Japan was transformed into a much better society and became a positive contributor to the world - millions were freed from the yoke of British empire...no more massacres in India or chemical bombings in Iraq not to mention a lot of other places in the world. - ditto for French colonies. - Phillipines and other "Oceana" countries got a better life (lots of people there too you know) - Just as importantly, if not more so, a belief was set that war was not to be the arbiter between major countries...UN was established for this purpose, and flawed as its charter is, a framework for international law came into existence. - oh ya...and this is a positive at least for Jews, there finally came the creation of Israel. I could go on, but this should suffice...and this is just off the top of my head. >> We are becoming fucking nazis. Unfortunately this is true. Sadly most lessons do not last more than one or two generations...especially when you put chicken hawks in the office who have never seen combat up close but romanticize sending others to it...but there is good hope and it is coming from the business community. >> There is no net positive to Hitler... Stop your rant!! What about all of the above? I leave you with this passage from Dalai Lama on Saddam back in 1997. It is from the book, The Art of Happiness: ...many people blamed the Gulf War on Saddam Hussein. Afterwards, on various occasions, I expressed 'That's not fair!' Under such circumstances, I really feel sorry for Saddam Hussein. Of course he is a dictator, and of course there are many other bad things about him. If you look at the situation roughly, it is easy to put all the blame on him -- he is a dictator, totalitarian, and even his eyes look kind of frightening. But without his army, his capacity to harm is limited. And without military equipment, that army cannot function. All this military equipment is not produced by itself from thin air. So when we look at it like that, many nations are involved...It seems that whenever there are intense emotions involved there tends to be a disparity between how things appear and how they really are. In this case if you go further and analyze the situation very carefully , you'll see that Saddam Hussein is part of the source of the problem, one of the factors, but there are other contributing conditions as... You can read the rest by querrying the book at Amazon amazon.com