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To: koan who wrote (13740)	6/18/2006 2:58:38 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78419

At times* there is no God.* Man has choices in selecting deities. Whatever he chooses, that becomes the true reality. That is the nature of the all powerful. God is a drunken Irishmen, on an extended vacation on the Planet of Fallen Women God is an immaculately coiffed dilettante, heir to a fortune made from rubber. God does not like children or animals. God just likes to have fun. At man's expense. God is responsible, sober and competent. However laudable these qualities are, they are not enough to keep abreast of the complexities or running a universe and it has gotten out of hand.

To: koan who wrote (13740)	6/18/2006 5:38:56 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 78419

As you say, it is impossible to know. But that applies to just about everything. One of the biggest problems I have with belief in God, the Creator, or whatever you want to call it, is that it involves the existence of a sentient, even intelligent, entity, which either is non-corporeal or is somewhere a long way from here. The idea of intelligence and ability to make things happen without corporality goes against everything we know from experience. That leaves the possibility of God living in a remote part of the universe. The whole idea starts to become ridiculous quickly. Then there's the Loch Ness monster/Bigfoot sort of difficulty - no species can survive without a breeding population. So now we need a population of Gods. What do they eat? The whole idea is so far-fetched on so many levels, I'm willing to say that I know as well as I know anything that there is no God.

To: koan who wrote (13740)	6/19/2006 4:08:45 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 78419

Two of your last three sentences are fighting each other - will the winner take on the third? ... how can you believe something without evidence, isn't the need to do so what turned you off of every religion you ever heard of The concept of 'god' could be widened enough that there's no way you can reasonably deny the possibility ... DAK has put this well in recent posts i see ... how about for a definition, 'Any metaphysical, überphysical, and/or Ur-physical being, force, intelligence, current, substance, impulse, particle, power or other entity or entities having any knowledge of and/or connection with and/or influence in the way stuff works' Everything we learn through science just leads to more questions, we never know it all ... that's not a complaint, just an observation of that's the way it is, our understanding is limited, we have much to be modest about, the basic quandaries for which man has invented religions since the beginning of time are still open - 1. how did we get here, 2. why, 3. where are we going, and 4. what the hell is wrong with rdv.v that they don't put their full share structure on the frickin website

To: koan who wrote (13740)	6/19/2006 8:02:41 AM
From: loantech	Respond to of 78419

koan I need to ask once again that we do not go so far a field from the field of gold and silver. Politics and gold sometimes yes but the distance of gold and metaphysics is stretching it.