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To: Ilaine who wrote (21703)	6/22/2006 10:34:51 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 543687

I assumed feminism had sort of gone mainstream with the concepts that women are capable people who should not be treated as sex objects being embraced, at least as an idea, in most workplaces. when i think of feminism i think of those ideas- rather than an organized movement. while i think we have a way to go before we really honor the ideas I think society has pretty much accepted- i do think feminism has pretty much won the war of ideas- though somehow black women in the inner city have been set up by inner city culture to be sex objects alone- which comes across loud and clear in the movies and music of the inner city. i think the question in the inner cities is how to counter dysfunctional inner city culture with something more positive ( which would include the more positive view of women that we white women enjoy), which will allow inner city residents to join the rest of us at the communal table- and be able to fit in there.

To: Ilaine who wrote (21703)	6/22/2006 3:07:43 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543687

I thought all the young girls these days say "I am not a feminist." Feminists are automatically rejected as ugly, man-hating and probably lesbians. A modified version of that was true on my college campus in the 90s. They were all feminists when asked about any specific canon of feminism but disliked the stereotype. A reasonable subset saw through the problem. Moreover, "lesbians" is less and less of a negative category. My friends tell me that this remains the case: most college age women, at least on campuses with which I'm familiar, remain convinced of the precepts of feminism. Their view of "feminism" varies depending on which sort of stereotype is the prevalent one.