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To: maceng2 who wrote (14253)	6/23/2006 2:44:30 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78412

Steven Colbert made a joke about Heisenberg last night re his Nazi inclinations (but didn't mention the Nazi connnection, he just embraced Heisneberg in his right wing parody that he does every night) and I thought to myself not 1 person in a 10,000 will get his joke. I then wondered how often he slips those subtle jokes in his act. Colbert is so smart and so funny. I watch him every night. Heisenberg certainly deserves to be be on the list of intellectual giants as long as one puts a foot note that he was probably a sociopath, or at least 1/2 a bubble off like Teller-lol.

To: maceng2 who wrote (14253)	6/23/2006 2:48:38 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78412

Me too, Popper is positive he is not, Heisenberg is uncertain if he is unsure. We tried to find his position on it, but right after we did so, he asserted that our take on it has changed his position. Sort of like a person when asked his opinion replies, "let me know what you think I think, and I will tell you, 'you are wrong, now'" If you take the opposition then, and try to ascertain that truth by measurement you will again be wrong, but uncertain by how much. Popper thought that since one or the other was all that was uncertain, momentum or position it would be possible to calculate one from the other by knowing the momentum of the measurement device. This paradox arises from the fact that the only possible measurement device (photon) has in itself an appreciable positional effect on what it measures (electron). It is sort of like trying to measure a fine cloth with a heavy ruler that stretches the cloth by an indeterminant amount. Popper compared it to measuring a bullet by firing another bullet at it and calculating both positions by the track of each bullet after. HArd to do, but Popper asserted not impossible.