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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dan B. who wrote (77636)	6/25/2006 2:01:03 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

The votes for the war were commensurate with the lies told. The "legitimate concerns" were based on lies.

To: Dan B. who wrote (77636)	6/25/2006 2:54:15 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 81568

Whatever happened to that anthrax scare. Was that a clandestine operation of the Bush Govt. to scare the people and get their support for Iraq war? Is it not perfectly OK for me to be suspicious of the Bush WH since they have proven time and agains that they love to do things in secret in order to achieve their odjectives? Her I have a good read for you. Professor: Ideology drives U.S. policy By Jonathan Jones, STAFF WRITER NEWARK WHEN IT COMES to U.S. foreign policy, Stephen Zunes believes most Americans find it very hard to be self-critical and do not want to hear negative comments about their country. Apparently, Zunes, a professor of politics and chair of the peace and justice studies program at the University of San Francisco, does not share those same problems himself. At a Newark discussion sponsored by the American Institute of International Studies, Zunes on Wednesday portrayed the United States as engaging in a "neocolonialist" foreign policy, which uses economic and political power over developing countries to benefit itself in the short term, while disregarding the long-term consequences. Zunes is the author of "Tinderbox," which argues that the U.S. government — whether seeking more access to cheap oil or backing Israeli policy — is pursuing a path that is self-defeating and undermines its strategic interests in the Middle East. He also has been deemed one of the most dangerous professors of Middle East studies by Daniel Pipes' Campus Watch Web site, which monitors perceived anti-American and anti-Israel sentiment at U.S. universities. But if Zunes' comments are any indication, it seems Pipes hasn't spent much time on the so-called "left coast," where left-wing political and intellectual leaders have been very vocal in criticizing U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. On Wednesday, Zunes charged that U.S. government policy is driven by ideology. "There's some people on the left that say the invasion of Iraq was all about oil, and I wish it was," Zunes said. "But these folks are ideologues. And ideologues — whether they are on the left wing, right wing or anything else — say, 'To heck with the facts, it's full speed ahead,' and that's what really gets you into trouble." When asked what he thinks the United States should do in Iraq, Zunes said he supports setting a timetable for U.S. troops to leave. "A timetable is not necessarily saying that no matter what happens, we have to be out by this exact date," he said. "But it's serving notice to the Iraqi people that we don't want to stay permanently." Zunes also argued that the United States is sending the wrong message in Iraq by building "sprawling military bases" and rewriting economic policies there in a way that he says favors American companies. "We've even redesigned their cell phone system on the U.S. model, as opposed to the European and Middle East model, so it's almost impossible for an Iraqi businessman in a neighboring country to talk to anybody back home," Zunes said. "This is what gets people really angry with us." He suggested that the U.S. government should consider enlisting a "pan-Arab, pan-Islamic" force that could help solidify the government of Iraq after U.S. forces pull out. insidebayarea.com

To: Dan B. who wrote (77636)	6/26/2006 1:53:24 AM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Bush-Cheney deliberately lied their way into Iraq, lied to congress and the UN, forgot about the real war on terror, misled our military into a deep hopeless quagmire and failed to do any smart planning except who gets to control the Iraqi oil money, mainly Halliburton and the corrupt Cheney crony Chalabi, who is a convicted swindler. So why do they want to stay the source if the stragegy is so obviously stupid and wrong? Because they are making a lot of money. But of course they will bring some troops home before the election just like Murtha and Kerry want, "cutting and running and surrendering" all the way. What dishonest hypocrites these Bushie crooks are.

To: Dan B. who wrote (77636)	6/26/2006 7:03:21 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

>>Please, laugh about Powell and anthrax all you want, the vast majority of us will always understand the legitimate concern which took us justifiably into Iraq.<< Dan - You keep referring to a "vast majority" that you believe agrees with you. Recent polling data indicates otherwise. The majority of Americans now believe that the war in Iraq was a mistake. That's roughly 55%, which is a larger majority than voted for Bush in 2004. But go ahead and call everyone else delusional, if it makes you feel better. - Allen