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To: steve harris who wrote (292277)6/26/2006 6:48:57 AM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571040
 
re: Like I said in a previous post, the 2008 democrat primary will be uglier than today's democrat attacks on the republicans. Why? Because they have already started cutting each other's throats.

Don't forget the Republican primaries.... they will be just as ugly.



To: steve harris who wrote (292277)6/26/2006 6:53:27 AM
From: SilentZ  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1571040
 
You're thinking like a true modern conservative... thinking about the "who," rather than the "what." If you dig deep enough on any politician, you'll be able to put together a personal picture of that politician that's unflattering. However, what matters to me is what that politician would do and would fight for while in office. While I find Bush's pre-presidential history and personality really upsetting to me, that has NOTHING to do with the way I'd vote these days. I vote against him because I disagree with 95%+ of what he stands for. I'll vote for/against the others based on their stances on the issues:

>Feingold? Mr "527"? No thanks.

He's against the Iraq war, against the Bush invasions of privacy, for the minimum wage hike... we share a lot of views in common, and he's one of my favorites at the moment.

>McCain? Sold out our Vietnam MIAs with Kerry.

Not far from Bush on most issues. Thumbs down.

>Kerry?

Similar to Feingold's stances, but not nearly as soundbite-articulate... I think he's fine, but ran just an OK campaign with some serious lapses in 2004 against a great Bush campaign.

>Hillary? Too many dems have already started attacking her.

I can't separate most of her positions from Bush's... thumbs down.

>Like I said in a previous post, the 2008 democrat primary will be uglier than today's democrat attacks on the republicans. Why? Because they have already started cutting each other's throats.

Not really... I haven't seen much of that; maybe on Fox News and in the NY Post. I don't think that the primaries for either party will be much dirtier than we've seen in the past. However, the general election could be nasty, especially if it's Allen vs. Hillary (though I still don't see Hillary getting the nod).

You are forgetting Edwards, and of course Warner, who's probably the most serious Dem nominee in '08.

I like Edwards a lot, not so sure on Warner yet.

-Z



To: steve harris who wrote (292277)6/26/2006 7:10:17 AM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571040
 
Playing Politics With Iraq
By BOB HERBERT
If hell didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. We'd need a place to send the public officials who are playing politics with the lives of the men and women sent off to fight George W. Bush's calamitous war in Iraq.

The administration and its allies have been mercilessly bashing Democrats who argued that the U.S. should begin developing a timetable for the withdrawal of American forces. Republicans stood up on the Senate floor last week, one after another, to chant like cultists from the Karl Rove playbook: We're tough. You're not. Cut-and-run. Nyah-nyah-nyah!

"Withdrawal is not an option," declared the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, who sounded like an actor trying on personas that ranged from Barry Goldwater to General Patton. "Surrender," said the bellicose Mr. Frist, "is not a solution."

Any talk about bringing home the troops, in the Senate majority leader's view, was "dangerous, reckless and shameless."

But then on Sunday we learned that the president's own point man in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, had fashioned the very thing that ol' blood-and-guts Frist and his C-Span brigade had ranted against: a withdrawal plan.

Are Karl Rove and his liege lord, the bait-and-switch king, trying to have it both ways? You bet. And that ought to be a crime, because there are real lives at stake.

The first significant cut under General Casey's plan, according to an article by Michael Gordon in yesterday's Times, would occur in September. That, of course, would be perfect timing for Republicans campaigning for re-election in November. How's that for a coincidence?

As Mr. Gordon wrote:

"If executed, the plan could have considerable political significance. The first reductions would take place before this fall's Congressional elections, while even bigger cuts might come before the 2008 presidential election."

The general's proposal does not call for a complete withdrawal of American troops, and it makes clear that any withdrawals are contingent on progress in the war (which is going horribly at the moment) and improvements in the quality of the fledgling Iraqi government and its security forces.

The one thing you can be sure of is that the administration will milk as much political advantage as it can from this vague and open-ended proposal. If the election is looking ugly for the G.O.P., a certain number of troops will find themselves waking up stateside instead of in the desert in September and October.

I wonder whether Americans will ever become fed up with the loathsome politicking, the fear-mongering, the dissembling and the gruesome incompetence of this crowd. From the Bush-Rove perspective, General Casey's plan is not a serious strategic proposal. It's a straw in the political wind.

How many casualties will be enough? More than 2,500 American troops who dutifully answered President Bush's call to wage war in Iraq have already perished, and thousands more are struggling in agony with bodies that have been torn or blown apart and psyches that have been permanently wounded.

Has the war been worth their sacrifice?

How many still have to die before we reach a consensus that we've overpaid for Mr. Bush's mad adventure? Will 5,000 American deaths be enough? Ten thousand?

The killing continued unabated last week. Iraq is a sinkhole of destruction, and if Americans could see it close up, the way we saw New Orleans in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, they would be stupefied.

Americans need to understand that Mr. Bush's invasion of Iraq was a strategic blunder of the highest magnitude. It has resulted in mind-boggling levels of bloodshed, chaos and misery in Iraq, and it certainly hasn't made the U.S. any safer.

We've had enough clownish debates on the Senate floor and elsewhere. We've had enough muscle-flexing in the White House and on Capitol Hill by guys who ran and hid when they were young and their country was at war. And it's time to stop using generals and their forces under fire in the field for cheap partisan political purposes.

The question that needs to be answered, honestly and urgently (and without regard to partisan politics), is how best to extricate overstretched American troops — some of them serving their third or fourth tours — from the flaming quicksand of an unwinnable war.



To: steve harris who wrote (292277)6/26/2006 12:44:24 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571040
 
Unfair and unbalanced news:

Despite all evidence to the contrary, media conservatives continued to hype Santorum's "weapons of mass destruction"

Summary: Fox News' Brit Hume, John Gibson, and Jim Angle, as well as nationally syndicated radio hosts Rush Limbaugh and Janet Parshall, continued to ignore conclusive assertions of intelligence officials that the degraded chemical munitions found in Iraq and hyped by Sen. Rick Santorum and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra were not, in fact, in the category of "weapons of mass destruction" that the U.S. was looking for at the time of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
In reporting and commenting on Sen. Rick Santorum's (R-PA) and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra's (R-MI) June 21 claim that a recently declassified intelligence report found that there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq prior to the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion, Fox News' Brit Hume, John Gibson, and Jim Angle, as well as nationally syndicated radio hosts Rush Limbaugh and Janet Parshall, continued to ignore conclusive assertions of intelligence officials that the degraded chemical munitions found were not, in fact, in the category of "weapons of mass destruction" that the U.S. was looking for at the time of the invasion. They also ignore the Iraq Survey Group's (ISG) September 2004 final report (also known as the Duelfer report), which noted that degraded chemical munitions had already been found in Iraq, and that they were not proof of an existing chemical weapons stockpile or of a renewed Iraqi chemical weapons program. Indeed, former ISG head Charles Duelfer stated that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra do not qualify as weapons of mass destruction, though they may still pose a local threat.

Nevertheless, Hume reported that "[t]op administration officials said today that chemical and biological weapons have indeed been found in Iraq," and a report by Angle uncritically aired a statement by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld that these munitions "are weapons of mass destruction." Further, Angle's report mischaracterized a statement by Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, to suggest that she downplayed the danger of these munitions.

As Media Matters for America documented, nearly every June 21 Fox News program between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. ET touted Santorum and Hoekstra's disclosure. Santorum and Hoekstra's claims, however, had been quickly dismissed by Pentagon officials and the intelligence community. As CNN national security correspondent David Ensor reported on CNN's The Situation Room shortly after the announcement, "Charles Duelfer, the CIA's weapons inspector, tells us the weapons are all pre-Gulf War vintage shells, no longer effective weapons. Not evidence, he says, of an ongoing WMD program under Saddam Hussein." The Washington Post also reported June 22 that "[n]either the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

The Duelfer report concluded that "old, abandoned chemical munitions" found in Iraq -- such as the ones hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra -- are not part of a "chemical weapons stockpile." According to the report [emphasis in original]:

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad's desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.

The scale of the Iraqi conventional munitions stockpile, among other factors, precluded an examination of the entire stockpile; however, ISG inspected sites judged most likely associated with possible storage or deployment of chemical weapons.
Duelfer also appeared on the June 22 broadcast of National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation, where he stated that these munitions are not weapons of mass destruction:

NEAL CONAN (host): The report says hundreds of WMDs were found in Iraq. Does this change any of the findings in your report?

DEULFER: No, the report -- the findings of the report were basically to describe the relationship of the regime with weapons of mass destruction generally. You know, at two different times, Saddam elected to have and then not to have weapons of mass destruction. We found, when we were investigating, some residual chemical munitions. And we said in the report that such chemical munitions would probably still be found. But the ones which have been found are left over from the Iran-Iraq war. They are almost 20 years old, and they are in a decayed fashion. It is very interesting that there are so many that were unaccounted for, but they do not constitute a weapon of mass destruction, although they could be a local hazard.

CONAN: Mm-hmm. So these -- were these the weapons of mass destruction that the Bush administration said that it was going into Iraq to find before the war?

DEULFER: No, these do not indicate an ongoing weapons of mass destruction program as had been thought to exist before the war. These are leftover rounds, which Iraq probably did not even know that it had. Certainly, the leadership was unaware of their existence, because they made very clear that they had gotten rid of their programs as a prelude to getting out of sanctions.

mediamatters.org



To: steve harris who wrote (292277)6/26/2006 12:46:34 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571040
 
Sounds good to me..........the GOP does have a winner! Go GOP!

Newsweek, Sullivan continue to present "stay the course" as a winner for the GOP

Summary: Despite the fact that most Americans favor the Democratic position of setting dates for the withdrawal of U.S.troops from Iraq and disapproving of the war altogether, Newsweek and Andrew Sullivan continued to present the Republican Party's "stay the course" platform for the Iraq war as a political winner.

In the wake of the Senate vote to defeat two Democratic proposals regarding the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, both Newsweek and Time columnist and blogger Andrew Sullivan continued to present the Republican Party's "stay the course" platform for the Iraq war as a political winner, without presenting any evidence and despite the fact that most Americans favor set dates for the withdrawal of troops, and disapprove of the war altogether.

In an article for the July 3 edition of Newsweek, general editor Jonathan Darman wrote glowingly of the GOP's "rebound" and "momentum" following the Senate vote, and granted anonymity to a "senior Bush aide" who praised the GOP and trashed Democrats:

But a place in the inner sanctum comes with its challenges -- and Kos [Daily Kos blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga] picked a rough time to join. Last week the GOP rallied around Karl Rove's "cut and run" battle cry and went on the offensive against a Democratic Party that was all over the place on the war. Sen. John Kerry was constantly on cable TV, touting an amendment requiring the redeployment of troops out of Iraq by July 2007; most members of his own party voted against it. The party had better discipline on a more gradual pullout measure backed by Sens. Carl Levin and Jack Reed, voting together, coordinating talking points -- and still going down to a sound defeat. The GOP was clearly on the rebound. "They're buoyed by Zarqawi's death and other steps in Iraq, but they're also strengthened by the disarray of the Democrats," says one senior Bush aide, who asked not to be identified speaking about political strategy.

Democrats tried to downplay the significance of the GOP's momentum. "What this indicates is the White House is much better at sloganeering than they are at actually governing and conducting this war," former Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards told NEWSWEEK.

Still, the Democrats lost the week in the war over the war, and Moulitsas -- who chats with Senate leadership aides several times a week and has brainstormed with Democratic operatives about the fall campaign -- could no longer just criticize from the outside. Indeed, the Democrats' failed Iraq strategy -- stand together, talk tough and make plans to leave -- lined up exactly with the prescriptions found on Daily Kos.

Darman's claim that "the GOP rallied around Karl Rove" while the Democrats were "all over the place on the war" not only echoed Republican spin, it ignored: 1) the shared belief among a large majority of Senate Democrats that the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq; 2) polling showing that this position is shared by the majority of Americans; and 3) strong public sentiment against the Iraq war -- which is strongly supported by Republicans. As Media Matters for America has noted, a CNN poll conducted June 14-15 showed that 53 percent of respondents favored a timetable for withdrawal, while 41 percent opposed such a measure, and only 38 percent of respondents supported the war, while 54 percent opposed it. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted June 9-12 found that 57 percent of respondents supported reducing troop levels now, compared with 35 percent who favored maintaining the current deployment, and that only 40 percent of those surveyed believed the war was "worth the number of U.S. military casualties and the financial cost." Darman's claim that "the Democrats lost the week in the war over the war" is simply not supported by the facts.

Moreover, Darman touted the Republicans' "rall[ying] around Karl Rove's 'cut and run' battle cry" without noting the division among Republicans over the kind of debate the Republicans were engaging in. As Media Matters noted, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) strongly denounced on the Senate floor the "focus-group tested buzz words and phrases like 'cut and run,'" as "catchy political slogans that debase the seriousness of war." Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) similarly complained that the "rhetoric is too heated" on the issue and said: "My soul cries out for something more dignified."

And, as Media Matters for America has noted, Newsweek's guidelines for anonymous sourcing state that "the burden of proof should lie with the reporters and their editors to show why a promise of anonymity serves the reader," and that Newsweek must "help the reader understand the nature of a confidential source's access to information and his or her reasons for demanding anonymity." Darman simply repeated the senior Bush aide's reason for requesting anonymity. He failed to provide any explanation why this Bush aide deserved anonymity for praising his own party and trashing the Democrats, or how that anonymity served the reader. Newsweek's pattern of granting anonymity to high-level Republicans praising Bush or the party -- and not adhering to their own guidelines on anonymous sourcing -- has been documented by Media Matters (see here, here, and here).

On the June 25 edition of the NBC-syndicated The Chris Matthews Show, Sullivan similarly claimed that "Bush and the Republicans" have a "stronger" argument on Iraq than do the Democrats:

Continued..........

mediamatters.org