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To: Road Walker who wrote (292335)6/26/2006 2:15:13 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571807
 
War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000

Higher than the U.S. estimate, the tally likely is undercounted. Proportionately, it is as if 570,000 Americans were slain in three years.

By Louise Roug and Doug Smith, Times Staff Writers
June 25, 2006

BAGHDAD — At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths in the chaotic first year after the invasion, when there was no functioning Iraqi government, and continued spotty reporting nationwide since.

The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents, is daunting: Proportionately, it is equivalent to 570,000 Americans being killed nationwide in the last three years.

In the same period, at least 2,520 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq.

Iraqi officials involved in compiling the statistics say violent deaths in some regions have been grossly undercounted, notably in the troubled province of Al Anbar in the west. Health workers there are unable to compile the data because of violence, security crackdowns, electrical shortages and failing telephone networks.

The Health Ministry acknowledged the undercount. In addition, the ministry said its figures exclude the three northern provinces of the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan because Kurdish officials do not provide death toll figures to the government in Baghdad.

In the three years since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled, the Bush administration has rarely offered civilian death tolls. Last year, President Bush said he believed that "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis."

Nongovernmental organizations have made estimates by tallying media accounts; The Times attempted to reach a comprehensive figure by obtaining statistics from the Baghdad morgue and the Health Ministry and checking those numbers against a sampling of local health departments for possible undercounts.

The Health Ministry gathers numbers from hospitals in the capital and the outlying provinces. If a victim of violence dies at a hospital or arrives dead, medical officials issue a death certificate. Relatives claim the body directly from the hospital and arrange for a speedy burial in keeping with Muslim beliefs.

If the morgue receives a body — usually those deemed suspicious deaths — officials there issue the death certificate.

Health Ministry officials said that because death certificates are issued and counted separately, the two data sets are not overlapping.

The Baghdad morgue received 30,204 bodies from 2003 through mid-2006, while the Health Ministry said it had documented 18,933 deaths from "military clashes" and "terrorist attacks" from April 5, 2004, to June 1, 2006. Together, the toll reaches 49,137.

However, samples obtained from local health departments in other provinces show an undercount that brings the total well beyond 50,000. The figure also does not include deaths outside Baghdad in the first year of the invasion.

The documented cases show a country descending further into violence.

At the Baghdad morgue, the vast majority of bodies processed had been shot execution-style. Many showed signs of torture — drill holes, burns, missing eyes and limbs, officials said. Others had been strangled, beheaded, stabbed or beaten to death.

The morgue records show a predominantly civilian toll; the hospital records gathered by the Health Ministry do not distinguish between civilians, combatants and security forces.

But Health Ministry records do differentiate causes of death. Almost 75% of those who died violently were killed in "terrorist acts," typically bombings, the records show. The other 25% were killed in what were classified as military clashes. A health official described the victims as "innocent bystanders," many shot by Iraqi or American troops, in crossfire or accidentally at checkpoints.

With the entire country a battleground, it is likely that some of the dead may have been insurgents or members of militias.

"The way to think about the violence is that it's not just the insurgent attacks that matter," said David Lake, a member of the Center for Study of Civil War, an international group of scholars who study the causes and effects of internal strife. "What we should be concerned about is the sense of security at the individual level…. If the fear has gotten out of control."

Societies fall apart when people stop believing the government can keep them safe them and instead turn to militias for protection, said Lake, who is a professor of political science at UC San Diego.

latimes.com



To: Road Walker who wrote (292335)6/26/2006 2:17:41 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571807
 
JF, nuance all you want, I'm just telling you that there are many, many skirmishes between the insurgents and our troops. If even 25% went poorly for our troops, we'd be seeing casualty reports much higher than what we are seeing today.

Tenchusatsu



To: Road Walker who wrote (292335)6/26/2006 3:32:13 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571807
 
The Rich get Richer

nytimes.com



To: Road Walker who wrote (292335)6/27/2006 2:18:03 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571807
 
Why am I not surprised! Clever guy that rove!

Gov. Bush vetoes bill requiring prompt replies to records requests

By The Associated Press
06.21.06
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Gov. Jeb Bush vetoed a bill that would have required prompt replies to public-records requests while signing 37 measures into law yesterday.

Bush also signed laws to renew a public-records exemption for autopsy photos, which originally was enacted after the death of race-car driver Dale Earnhardt, and increase penalties for protests at military funerals in response to demonstrations by an anti-gay church group.

He also signed a bill making "In God We Trust" Florida's official motto, although those words have appeared on the state seal since 1868.

The governor wrote in his veto message that requiring officials to "promptly" reply to public-records requests could require hiring additional staff, though the Legislature did not provide any money for that and it would be too disruptive.

"I am not comfortable requiring Florida's state and local agencies to set aside their primary missions to comply with a new, but undefined time standard for responding to public records requests," he wrote.

Officials may have more important things to do, including emergencies, Bush added.

Barbara Petersen, president of Florida's First Amendment Foundation, which supported the bill, said the measure would have done none of the things Bush was worried about. The measure would not have required officials to produce records immediately, just that they promptly tell citizens if or when their records requests would be honored, she said.

"It happens all the time where they just don't respond," Petersen said.

Bush also objected to a provision that would have required agency heads to designate public-records custodians. That might mislead people into thinking they can seek records only from the designees, he wrote.

Lawmakers first passed the autopsy-photo exemption in 2001 after newspapers sought access to the Earnhardt pictures. There had been questions over how he died in a crash at the Daytona International Speedway and whether better safety equipment might have saved him. Public-records exemptions expire every five years.

Florida is one of several states that have enacted laws to squelch protests at military funerals by the Westboro Baptist Church. The Topeka, Kan., church claims U.S. soldiers are being killed because God is punishing America for tolerating homosexuality.

The new Florida law increases fines from $500 to $1,000 and jail time from 60 days to a year for anyone who disturbs a military funeral.

Criminal penalties of one to five years behind bars will be added to an existing law that bans unsolicited commercial e-mail, known as "spam," under a cyber-crime bill signed by Bush. It also would allow lawsuits against spammers who go "phishing" by trying to obtain personal identifying information.

firstamendmentcenter.org



To: Road Walker who wrote (292335)6/27/2006 2:23:54 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571807
 
"The fact that a newspaper disclosed it makes it harder to win this war on terror," Bush said, leaning forward and jabbing his finger during a brief question-and-answer session with reporters in the Roosevelt Room.

Now, he doesn't have to win the 'war' on terror.......he has an out. Clever guy that rove!