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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (71621)	6/27/2006 4:28:48 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361098

RR is one of the industry types who are writing papers which get picked up all over the net. ...I posted his latest (today) at the nest... If we get some of these guys saying, "Oh, yeah, conservation", the impact will go will beyond SI and TOD. E3 Biofuels: Responsible Ethanol Posted by Robert Rapier on Tuesday June 27, 2006 at 1:38 AM EST ... Message 22576676 I am a chemical engineer working for "Big Oil". I am very interested in alternative fuels, having done my graduate thesis on cellulosic ethanol. I am, however, a staunch critic of grain-ethanol, and have testified against it at the state legislature

To: T L Comiskey who wrote (71621)	6/28/2006 9:09:16 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361098

The one strange (Oil Drum) response to your compact florescent article; I think his name sez it all :>) DelusionaL on Tuesday June 27, 2006 at 9:47 PM EST Not so fast... It depends on where you live IMHO. I doubt that these light bulbs "save" you much at all. If you live in NW Oregon for example then you use light mostly during winter when you are (quinkydink) also heating your home. I suggest that there is very little returned energy savings at all. All the energy you save by not "creating wasted heat" of a standard bulb is then replaced by burning nat. gas or something to make up the difference. All that "wasted heat" ends up inside your home. In NW Oregon I estimate that this is approximately 9 months of the year. Obviously outdoor light don't fit this thinking. I find this to be one of the biggest fallacy's in the whole energy savings marketing game. Right behind it is electric water heaters- if they ar located inside the heated living space of a home then it adds heat to the living area and is not "wasted". Have you read this anywhere? Obviously NOT at Home Depot.