To: Wharf Rat who wrote (190379 ) 6/28/2006 12:14:04 PM From: jttmab Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 elf it is. And now, I work at both ERs in my area. Nowadays,ERs and teachers report suspicions to Child Welfare. And well they should. If you're working ERs, I don't know why a single spanking is even a subject. Your parallel to pornography isn't even on target. In the ER, it's more akin to rape. You never see the rape, at best you see the consequences. And the doctor's ability to discern rape is easier than it is to discern child abuse. Many years ago, my son had surgery for a hernia when he was a todler. [A birth condition vs. lifting too much wait.] About a week after the surgery, all seemed well. But a sudden yell came from his room. The chair he used to turn the lightswitch on/off was laying on it's side and he was laying there holding his groin. To emergency. I passed the county hospital and drove an additonal 15 minutes to the children's hospital [excellent reputation vs. the country hospital]. I told the doctor the story of events and he knew where I lived; he knew I drove right by the county hospital. After some other discussion, he said: Where exactly did you kick him? I figure somewhere on that medical report is a note of possible child abuse. The reason your posts caught my attention in the first place was because my niece completed an adoption of two girls. One a teen, the other a pre-teen. Both pushed through multiple foster homes their entire lives. Intially, I was surprised they approved putting them under her care to begin with. My niece is single. Then I found out that both were pushed through multiple foster homes because both had been phyically and/or sexually abused in each of the foster homes they were in. [There was some question about the teen in some of the homes as she had become a chronic liar.] But the primary reason they selected my niece was because there wasn't a man in the picture. They figured these two girls had enough exposure to men in their young lives. While you two are talking about a spanking not being a bad thing, I'm thinking of these two girls. jttmab