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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (190400)	6/28/2006 4:01:51 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Btw, if some people kidnapped your child, and you happened to catch one or more of them before they could get away, would you be so willing to live by your high moral standards by calling the police. Would you do so knowing that time was critical and that you would have to wait for them to conduct a "proper" interrogation so they can discover the "hide-out" where your child might be, as well as the identity of the co-kidnappers?" There is no time that is more appropriate to live by high moral standards than when you are being tested. In fact, declarations of high moral standards mean little or nothing at other times. If time were critical, waiting or wasting time by involving the bureaucracy of law enforcement might be the dumbest of all choices, and has little to do with my moral standards. Circumstance and conscience would dictate my course of action. I am not a pacifist. "Or would you take matters into your own hands ... What I would or wouldn't do in the midst of a violent confrontation in which control over my circumstance, my emotions, and my physical being has been lost is hardly relevant to my position on torture. If I were to catch up with one, it wouldn't be in the spirit of detainment, it would likely be in an active resolution role, including combat if called for. Detaining a prisoner implies that the prisoner is subdued and no longer a participant in conflict. If my captured kidnapper is still an active participant in some sense, I would not consider him subdued. If the kidnapper had information that was useful in the recovery of my daughter I am sure the kidnapper would have some agenda for releasing that information and my conduct would be responsive to that agenda.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (190400)	6/28/2006 4:16:25 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Doubt that syrian crop dusters could do this but perhaps Mr. Hamas in Damascus is getting a warning or perhaps even more likely, Mr. Assad is getting a warning regarding continued harboring of Mr. Hamas. Syria: We chased off Israeli warplanes Israeli warplanes flew over the home of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as Israeli forces sent troops into Gaza to save a kidnapped soldier. Syria says it chased Israeli warplanes out of its airspace after what it called a "hostile and provocative act," Syrian state television reported.