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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (77811)	7/1/2006 4:06:33 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

You are a moron if you think that Iraq is back on its feet. Things are in such a mess now that people were better off under Saddam than under Dumbya! It is not that Saddam was good, it is just that Dumbya is so much worse. As Einstein said, it is all relative! ;-) Btw, the US death toll in Iraq for June 2006 was 62 - more than twice that in June 2003. Congratulations to you and Dumbya and your ilk! I know, I know - 62 is "not enough" for you. And for Dumbya, 62 dead US soldiers is like 1 1/2 rolls of toilet paper. So it is no big deal for him.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (77811)	7/1/2006 4:16:12 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Respond to of 81568

Your pathetic hero Dumbya, makes more "progress" in Iraq (Today's highlight : Slovakia and Romania stop eating Dumbya's crapola and decide to get the bleep out of Iraq) 07/01/06 AFP: Violence kills 1,000 Iraqis in June Officials say 07/01/06 Reuters: Five civilians killed near Haditha 07/01/06 Reuters: Suicide car bomber attacks checkpoint in Ramadi 07/01/06 Reuters: Sunni group claims car bomb 07/01/06 AP; Slovakia May Pull its Troops From Iraq 07/01/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty -- Spc. Christopher D. Rose, 21, of San Francisco, Calif., died on June 29 of injuries sustained from an improvised explosive device during combat operations in Baghdad, Iraq. Rose was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment... 07/01/06 AP: Soldier dies of non-combat injury 07/01/06 Reuters: Civilian killed in Clashes between police and insurgents in Mosul 07/01/06 Reuters: Car bomb kills two polimen in Mosul 07/01/06 AP: Car bomb kills 66 in Iraq (update) 07/01/06 AP: Iraqi, U.S. Authorities Free 495 Prisoners 07/01/06 AP: GIs may have planned Iraq rape, slayings 07/01/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill policemen in Kirkuk and Falluja 07/01/06 AP: Former senior police officer killed in Baquba 07/01/06 AP: Six badly decomposed bodies in the grave 07/01/06 AP: Gunmen kidnapped Sunni female member of parliament 07/01/06 Reuters: Car bomb kills 62 at Baghdad market 06/30/06 AFP: Fiery Shiite cleric demands rebuilding of Iraq shrine 06/30/06 Reuters: Baghdad attacks higher since security crackdown 06/30/06 Reuters: Reward set for information on al Qaeda's Masri 06/30/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty -- Cpl. Ryan. J. Clark, 19, of Lancaster, Calif., died on June 29 in the Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, of injuries sustained on June 17 when an improvised explosive device detonated near his HMMWV during combat operations... 06/30/06 KUNA: Five Iraqi soldiers, three civilians killed in Kirkuk 06/30/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty -- Cpl. Jeremy S. Jones, 25, of Omaha, Neb., died on June 27 of injuries sustained from an improvised explosive device during dismounted combat operations in Baghdad, Iraq. Jones was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment... 06/30/06 AP: U.S. soldiers learn to live with incoming fire in troubled Iraqi city 06/30/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty -- Pfc. Michael J. Potocki, 21, of Baltimore, Md., died on June 26, of injuries sustained in Al Asad, Iraq, when his unit came in contact with enemy force’s small arms fire during combat operations. Potocki was assigned to the 1st Battalion... 06/30/06 AP: Willmar Guardsman killed in Iraq 06/30/06 AP: Soldiers investigated for alleged rape, killing family in Iraq 06/30/06 AP: Romania in Iraq troops U-turn 06/30/06 Centcom: MND-B SOLDIER KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMB 06/30/06 Centcom: 172nd SBCT SOLDIER KILLED IN MOSUL (confirmed)

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (77811)	7/1/2006 4:16:50 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

>>I find it curious how the Left has retrospectively embraced the Afghan campaign. They certainly didn't approve at the time, and cries of humanitarian catastrophe and quagmire flew thick and fast, if my memory serves. Don't bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age, they cried.<< Nadine - Give me a break. Yes, there were SOME protests. They were not widespread, and most liberals did support the war in Afghanistan, just as most of the world did. This was very clear if you were paying attention at the time. You seem to view "The Left" as a mindless horde of zombies shuffling along in lockstep, all sharing a single point of view. Would you have a problem with it if I observed that "The Right" is all too willing to go to war at any time under the slightest pretext? That any questioning of that policy is decried as unpatriotic? I suspect you would. So maybe you could do me the favor of not generalizing about liberals and the Left so much. Or not. By the way, the war in Afghanistan was not about "deterrence" and I would not have supported it if it had been. - Allen

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (77811)	7/1/2006 5:37:54 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Respond to of 81568

Don't bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age, they cried. What's wrong with that demand? If we wanted to take action on the Taliban, we should have landed enough troops there and engage the Taliban characters on the ground. Instead, what Dumbya did was to bomb the heck out of the place, including the huts of the poor and helpless Afghans, and just scatter the Taliban guys around. And even when OBL was cornered in Tora Bora, Dumbya outsourced the job to Afghan fighters who were bought out by OBL or were Dumbya's twins in incompetence, or both. Fast forward to the present, all we have done is to screw the hapless poor Afghans further and scatter the Taliban, who are now regrouping because our forces are stuck in Iraq. And we keep this Karzai puppet alive in his mansion in Kabul. The puppet is virtually the mayor of (parts of?) Kabul at the most and has no control over the rest of the country, which is reaping bumper crop after bumper crop of opium every year. In other words, as Darth Cheney would say, Afghanistan is as much of a "devastating success" as Iraq is! ;-)