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To: Ilaine who wrote (171908)	7/1/2006 2:01:40 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793759

If I remember correctly it was the military that first reported the abuses at Abu Ghraib. I'm not sure of the time line, but I also thought it was under investigation immediately. Getting the facts straight matters. What a ridiculous statement. Prove it! Many, not all, people on the right don't want to hear anything bad about the military so if a bad apple does something wrong, they want it to just be ignored and go away, and they support the coverup. And that only makes it worse in the long run.

To: Ilaine who wrote (171908)	7/1/2006 3:14:04 PM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793759

To me, that means always do the right thing, and you'll never have to be ashamed of yourself. I wholeheartedly agree. Sweeping things under the rug doesn't make them go away. The coverup is always worse than the crime. I don't think that either is always true, but I agree that they are true often enough that is better not to attempt either. Take, for example, Abu Ghraib. It wasn't the left who tried to cover it up and pretend it was no big deal, which, I submit, was compounding the atrocity because it wasn't taken seriously and dealt with according to law as soon as it came out. I've seen no credible evidence of an organized cover-up. A member of the military reported the abuse to superiors, an investigation was launched and that investigation produced substantial evidence corroborating the complaint. It was until that time that the press got hold of the story. True, the military didn't broadcast the information hither and yon, but that wasn't their job. Their job was to investigate the matter and bring those responsible before the appropriate court for judgment. They did that. Whether you, I, or anyone here believes the punishment meted out was appropriate is another matter. I detect a pattern here. Two incidents, almost 40 years apart, constitute a pattern? Many, not all, people on the right don't want to hear anything bad about the military so if a bad apple does something wrong, they want it to just be ignored and go away, and they support the coverup. And that only makes it worse in the long run. How many is "many?" 2, 5, 10, millions? While I don't consider myself as right-wing, I know more than a few who do and your statement strikes me as a loaded generalization that effectively demonizes those with whom you disagree and serves as an equally effective conversation-stopper.

To: Ilaine who wrote (171908)	7/1/2006 5:53:32 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793759

It wasn't the left who tried to cover it up and pretend it was no big deal, which, I submit, was compounding the atrocity because it wasn't taken seriously and dealt with according to law as soon as it came out. Abu Ghraib was under full investigation immediately by the Army the minute they found out about it! The press piled on and made these events the moral equivalent of the terrorists chopping off heads, and you joined them. Your recall of the event, as evidenced by your statement above, is not in line with the facts, to say the least.

To: Ilaine who wrote (171908)	7/3/2006 12:44:32 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 793759

Wrong! The military was investigating well before the photo's became public. Just because you didn't know about it, doesn't mean it was being covered up. The problem is many people can't get over Vietnam and want to believe our military operates the same way it did 30,50 or 100 years ago. That attitude runs rampant in the way the media transmits any information regarding an abuse. The fact that you still see Abu Ghraib as the equivalent of My Lai, demonstrates an inability to objectively compare events in a rational manner. No matter how many times your motivated to post negative commentary about the United States military, doesn't mean one iota of what you say is true.