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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (8916)	7/1/2006 10:11:48 PM
From: faqsnlojiks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

No I can't and I don't so that makes me an agnostic at that level, but on the other hand no one can say that they know what did create it, ie a god..... So, until evidence is produced that something created it, we simply don't know. But theists will say they know who created it, they know the reason, they talk to him, decide he has a son, know the son died for man's sins (eating an apple?), and tell you they are the only people who are moral..... And I say..bull shit!! You have a very narrow...and wrong...view of what Christianity is, and what makes a person a Christian. I hope that one day you can drop all of this defensiveness, and the pain that it brings you, and realize there is something bigger than you in this world. And I'm not here to evangelize you, so don't expect a discourse on the nature of Christ from me. I've already told you, my belief is based on my faith. Until you can find something akin to that on your own, the best I can do is pray for you.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (8916)	7/2/2006 2:55:58 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

The greatest of skeptics, Hume said: "But allow me to tell you that I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything could arise without a cause."---David Hume. Of course, he thought the universe was eternal with no beginning. You're admitting the universe was created, in an instant, yet you don't know whether there was a creator or not. That's a heck of a position. and tell you they are the only people who are moral I'm sure no Christian told you that as the sinfulness of all mankind is a basic Christian belief: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23 and "There is none righteous, not even one" Romans 3:10.