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To: Claude Cormier who wrote (15003)	7/3/2006 1:37:23 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 78419

Well, Claude, it just so happens my son in law who studies global warming at the PHD level, was a recipient of a NOAA grant for such study full time at the U of Wahington and now studies it part time along with teaching thermodynamics at the university level, and is very solid, received an interview from cambridge to teach --- was standing right here as I opened up your post. He sort of said nonsense---i.e. if this is the warmest period in a thousand years how could the cycles, short or long be the cause? He said the suns effect would be very miner at most. He said, since we have had satellites (70's) we can measure the sun's output with an almost perfect level of accuracy. This idea of we need to take a middle ground is sort of like saying, lets do nothing! Believe what you will Claude, but this is not a contest. I feel that as the right wing gets boxed in with more and more evidence they want to take their stand in the middle--i.e. we don't know , so lets not hype, or do anything. Sort of reminds me of when the fundamentalists were confronted with so much scientific knowledge about the past (like the earth was never covered with water) they abandoned a literal translation of the bible and moved to an allegorical translation. In a nutshell, the great preponderance of PHD level climatologist are sounding a dire warning and we should be listening to them. The majority of the naysayers are not qualified to speak on the subject to be honest! MOST of the top atmospheric scientists are not in great doubt about man's effect on global warming. And they do not believe it is caused by the sun which can be measured with great accuracy these days. The head of the senate for environmental affairs, a republican from Oaklahoma, and as shown on the John Stewart show (and Fox--uggg)says global warming is a hoax. Black called him a hoax! And, in fact, your author says at the beginning he is not qualified to speak on the subject.

To: Claude Cormier who wrote (15003)	7/3/2006 2:02:43 AM
From: onepath	Respond to of 78419

Global warming goes deep With theaters everywhere screening Al Gore's movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," and the National Research Council issuing a new report on global warming, you'd have to be hiding under a rock to be unaware that Earth is heating up. Actually, you'd have to be hiding under 600 feet of rock, University of Michigan geophysicist Shaopeng Huang contends. "My research tells me that even the rocks are feeling the heat, and that rocky fever is detectable down to a depth over 600 feet," said Huang, an associate research scientist in the Department of Geological Sciences. Along with U-M geophysicist Henry Pollack and Po-Yu Shen of the University of Western Ontario, Huang collaborated on a 2000 study, cited in the recent National Research Council report, showing that the 20th century was the warmest of the last five centuries. Earlier this year, he published work in Geophysical Review Letters showing that global climate change has intensified heating in subsurface rock. Earth's climate is the product of a dynamic system encompassing interactions among the atmosphere, oceans and land. Consequently, any global-scale change in surface air temperature affects the other parts of the system, including the rocky continental landmasses. Since the beginning of the 20th century, a significant amount of thermal energy has been injected into those landmasses, Huang said. Together, Asia, Africa, Australia, Europe, North America and South America have seen a surplus of 12 zeta joules in their thermal energy budget, 65 percent of which has been acquired since 1970. (A zeta joule is 1021 joules; a joule is standard international unit of energy equal to 0.2389 calories.) "When a large amount of heat enters or leaves the ground, the temperature of the rocks changes accordingly," Huang said. "A change of 12 zeta joules is enough to raise the mean rock temperature of the top hundred feet of the world's landmasses by two degrees Fahrenheit. But because of the way heat flows from one object to another, the actual volume of rocks affected by global warming is much larger." Data from experiments in which researchers take Earth's temperature by lowering sensitive thermometers into boreholes have documented the subsurface temperature changes, said Huang, and those changes go deep. "Not to feel global warming, one would need to hide beneath 600 feet of rocks," Huang said. "Although its causes are debatable, recent global warming is indisputable." Source: University of Michigan

To: Claude Cormier who wrote (15003)	7/3/2006 2:13:28 AM
From: daveinmarinca	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 78419

Claude, Re your post to Koan.....I too was some what "complacent" about the global warming projections until I saw Nova's recent program on "Solar Dimming, new evidence that airpolution has masked the impact of global warming" <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/>. It, IMHO, is a must view program....just as dramatic as Gore's presentation, and all scientists. I believe global warming is further along then we understand with significant consequences along the lines projected in both NOVA's and Gores film....only with a shorter time line. Recent AP survey....<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060628/ap_on_sc/gore_s_science>. "While some nonscientists could be depressed by the dire disaster-laden warmer world scenario that Gore laid out, one top researcher thought it was too optimistic. Tom Wigley, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, thought the former vice president sugarcoated the problem by saying that with already-available technologies and changes in habit — such as changing light bulbs — the world could help slow or stop global warming." Unfortunately, I agree with Dr. Wigley. Considering a second Prius for the family to do my part in reducing GHGs. daveinmarinca