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To: GPS Info who wrote (190788)	7/3/2006 3:51:43 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Elroy’s questions don’t come from his stupidity Hey! I can speak for myself, and my concerns occassionally come from my stupidity, other times from excessive beer consumption, and sometimes from not enough to do at work, nevertheless, they're my concerns and I will voice them!

To: GPS Info who wrote (190788)	7/3/2006 3:53:57 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

86% of the detainees in Gitmo were turned over by bounty hunters responding to "Wanted" flyers offering rewards (not naming specific people) who got paid, then told us the guys they were handing over were Taliban or AQ, and then disappeared, never to be heard from again. For most of the 86%, this is the extent of the "evidence" by which they were imprisoned. I think sheer embarrassment is the motive for all the secrecy.

To: GPS Info who wrote (190788)	7/3/2006 4:03:23 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

Dubyette doesn't rely on reason, he's out for intimidation during the times he's taking a break from corruption. All the FISA stuff, the rendition, Gitmo, etc. etc. is all about hiding unethical, immoral and likely criminal acts. After all, if they were legal and above board, they wouldn't have to hide them like this. It's the Soviet Union in the USA --- who knew? --------- Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court. The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages. ``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This undermines that assertion.'' .... bloomberg.com

To: GPS Info who wrote (190788)	7/4/2006 2:05:40 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

GPS.. The Red Cross DOES have access to the Gitmo detainees. And they've been "blasting" the US over not permitting the detainees to have access to legal counsel. news.bbc.co.uk But we've also be awaiting this legal ruling by SCOTUS on the legality of military tribunals, so we really can't give them legal due process when the legality was still being debated in the courts. Mr Girod is leading a team from the ICRC which has just completed an inspection tour of the detention camp in Cuba. Although he did not criticise any physical conditions at the camp, he said that it was intolerable that the complex was used as "an investigation centre, not a detention centre". Hawk