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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (24336)	7/3/2006 7:02:59 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"There are lots of ideas that that would be neat if they were so, but they just don't jive with the facts." What you don't seem to be able to deal with is the 'fact' that your logic and evidence did not support your claim. It is remarkably arrogant if not a display of ignorance for you to suggest the reverse.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (24336)	7/3/2006 9:50:27 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

<If you want to understand reality you need to limit yourself to the actual evidence.> 1.) Reality is radically subjective, you refer to "truth", no? 2.) "Actual evidence" could be one anecdote you notice on a walk... so there are really very few limitations to scientific "pondering"... all the great ones did/do it. <There are lots of ideas that that would be neat if they were so, but they just don't jive with the facts.> Aren't 'facts' a million miles away from 'evidence'? DAK

To: TigerPaw who wrote (24336)	7/3/2006 10:33:45 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

Ok, let's take another look at your facts that prove time's beginning. You propose that time is linearly based and your proof is referencing the Big Bang theory. You suppose then that time began at the big bang and you suppose then that it will consequently have an end. You say you have conclusive proof of it but consider the following. Rather than linear, what if time is circular; its infinity so broad that we are unable to detect the curves, much like the flat Earth believers of history? When the bang goes off time begins to move away from its starting point with increased measure, while returning to the starting point at an equal and complimentary rate, virtually eliminating the concept of toward or away from in exchange for the unifying concept of infinitude. What if it were a complexity of uniform movements going off/returning in an infinite number of courses to be detected only by small linear segments that are observable by conscious human beings. Isn't matter moving off in space in an infinite number of directions at any given moment. Don't we also see matter collapsing upon itself in a unifying manner throughout space at every moment in time. Simultaneous expansion, collapsing, disorder into chaos, and a reordering of natural systems. No proof of anything, just some interesting and mysterious evidence to think about. best regards, gem