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To: barty who wrote (143275)7/4/2006 2:50:43 PM
From: JeffreyHF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 152472
 
Barty, the point of the greater commercial importance of Qualcomm`s WCDMA patents ceased to be open to reasonable challenge, when Ericsson settled the litigation after "discovery" in 1999, and the rest of the sophisticated majors, and minors, voluntarily negotiated agreements acknowledging same. Qualcomm`s essential and fundamental blocking patents have gotten deeper since then.Perhaps you contend Nokia was ignorant, mistaken, misinformed, or inept 5 years back? The relative commercial values of their portfolios having been then established, constituting "custom and usage" in their industry, Nokia now seeks to rewrite the rules by "patent counting". Can`t win on the merits, so let`s redefine the game. That`s why they hired the "1 hour evaluators" of patent essentiality, and started a global spin campaign. It may work in the press, perhaps it has worked in the press, but the rules of evidence, procedure, and substantive law that control legal proceedings in the USA are quite different, dispassionate, and egalitarian.(That, of course, is why the EC complaint was filed).If I were Nokia, facing the pending GSM/GPRS/EDGE actions in the United States, or some other GSMA member who might be incidentally damaged by Nokia`s intransigence, I`d do exactly what they eventually will do - settle. The risk of losing is far too great.
We`ve been through similar events with your beloved Nokia before, each time emerging victorious. Nokia is a paper tiger, full of megalomaniacle delusions, but lacking substance and integrity. When the dance is over, Qualcomm will again allow them to sign with dignity. That`s their way.



To: barty who wrote (143275)7/4/2006 3:41:55 PM
From: samim anbarcioglu  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 152472
 
It is not possible to implement cellular telephony with spread spectrum physical layer (CDMA), without also employing
1. power control (as the phone approaches to the tower),
2. rake receiver,
3. soft hand over of calls to the adjacent cell as the phone moves.

It is these three essential patents that form the basis of Q's stronghold on the CDMA telephony. It is these three patents that NOK tried for 16 years to bypass, without success. They tried with R&D, and separately in courts, they kept losing in both venues.



To: barty who wrote (143275)7/4/2006 6:19:23 PM
From: Clarksterh  Respond to of 152472
 
how do you seperate what's more important between CDMA radio, power management, switching, handover, speech coding,etc etc.

You keep changing the subject from important, still enforceable patents to 'important technology' - which isn't even remotely the question.

Like it or not, there haven't been any really really big 'codec' breakthroughs - just a long evolution of little steps, with many completely in the public domain either due to expiration or academia. You think otherwise? - then find me a still valid patent that allows you to compress voice 2x better than any other technology that does not use the patent. Or find me a general compression system that gets just 1 db closer to the Shannon limit than any other patented system. They don't exist. Whereas it is clear that cellular CDMA allows about 3db improvement in capacity over anything else in a mobile wireless system - e.g. I haven't seen even an OFDM which doesn't use it.

It is possible that in aggregate the patents in some other area are totally blocking even if individually they are not. E.g. if there were only 3 ways to get within 1 db of the Shannon limit and all three were individually patented the individual patents wouldn't be worth as much as the Q cellular CDMA patents - but in aggregate they would be. But I've seen no evidence of that.

Clark



To: barty who wrote (143275)7/4/2006 9:39:42 PM
From: voop  Respond to of 152472
 
as I replied to you on the other thread:

Message 22572083

re:"how do you seperate what's more important between CDMA radio, power management, switching, handover, speech coding,etc etc.

Again the article is from a European think tank on WCDMA