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To: geode00 who wrote (190992)	7/5/2006 2:25:27 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

We can argue forever. Real problem is that the UN partition was violently rejected by arab states and all bad things flow from that decision. Did the jews do some bad things both before and after partition? Sure. Have the pals done one smart thing? Nope!

To: geode00 who wrote (190992)	7/5/2006 6:39:38 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In reality, Israel wants to be a Jewish State in perpetuity even while its demographics say otherwise. At what point does Israel end up looking like South Africa under apartheid? At what point do people say, this isn't right and it's a losing argument anyway? This is a more interesting question which almost never gets brought up. I've brought it up quite a number of times. It is the fundamental question IMO. Clearly Jewish people (like any people) deserve to live in peace and security. In the ME, religious views have made multi-cultural tolerance difficult to achieve, so segregation looks like a precondition for long term peace. That approach is in direct conflict with modern Western thought on government, so what to do? You don't see Bush (or any significant American politician) addressing this issue directly. Neither do we address the asymmetry in police/military action on the part of Israel, vs. terrorist actions on the part of the Pals. If Israel wants a given Pal in custody, the only difficulty for them is finding him. The capture or killing is not a problem for them, given the military might. But is the action any more legitimate, just because the Israeli government approves? The fact that the capture or killing is carried out by people in uniform with orders from a government having a known seat of power, does not in and of itself make the action any more legitimate than many of the Pal terrorists attacks, for the simple fact that Israel can and would dismantle any PAL government which issued formal documents resulting in uniformed members of that government mounting a concerted effort to invade Israel with the intent of capturing or killing any Israeli government/military figure wanted for some crime against the Pals. Until we acknowledge this asymmetry, and adapt our reactions to events in that region accordingly, we will make no progress in achieving peace. BTW, did you catch the S. African MP's foot-in-mouth telling whites they should leave S. Africa if the security situation bothers them this last week? I wonder what the world’s reaction to white S. Africa would have been in 1994, if de Klerk had built a “security wall” around Sweto as the best way forward in southern africa? I suspect the white murder rate at the hands of blacks in S. Africa is higher %wise than Israeli deaths at the hands of Pals. FWIW.