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To: CusterInvestor who wrote (15275)	7/5/2006 2:39:06 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 78416

<Ahh, there's the rub. There are a couple points to make here. One is that the tobacco companies had internal evidence that tobacco was harmful, but they suppressed it.> Good point... I was simply using it as an example of how difficult it is to prove cause and effect in something as complex as a person. <Second, who was proved right in the long run re: risk of smoking? > Yes, right... by my point is that adding toxins to a complex system at first may express no effects... so is it safe? Science says YES... look, I started smoking a year ago, and I'm fine, and I don't even cough!! OOoops, 40 yeasr later the data starts to add up. AND AND AND... the mechanism(s)turns out to be very complex and widespread throughout the system.... it turns out smoking "causes" ( now we use words like "lead to" or "promotes") heart disease as well... surprise! My summation was that looking for cause and effect in these areas just isn't very informative, where if people would just say.... wowa, we don't know the answers here... this is very complex, let's play it safe. If common sense prevailed, governments would just say, we don't know what these unnatural feeds do to beef and hence humans that eat it.... so fagetabout it!! Instead there is this layer of 'science' that fights to get our hormonal beef, and GMO food into the EU under the guise that someone ACTUALLY KNOWS something. Of course there is the upside as you pointed out... and I"m not dissing science, I'm hoping it will get clarified. <One needs to look at the accumulated body of evidence, look for trends, and ask "what if?".> Right... clearly spewing crap in the air out of exhaust pipes is stupid... and I have no problem putting zero emmission mandates on, I don't need to wait for some stupid study!! Isn't it obvious? DAK