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To: Lane3 who wrote (22969)	7/5/2006 7:23:25 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541326

You assume the Gore train accomplishes nothing. It's your opinion. We listen, but we don't have to agree with you. So we're writing you off as the other by not agreeing with you? That means the only way to not make someone the other is to agree with them, which is pretty silly. No one suggests you move out of the country, calls you names, suggests you be branded a traitor, or that you aren't a loyal American. Some people here don't agree with you on this- doesn't mean you've been demonized. Seems like you are trying awfully hard to make this about demonization when, really, many of us just don't buy your argument. I don't buy your logic, and I don't see your proof. It has nothing to do with you being an other; it has every thing to do with the fact that your arguments are not convincing.

To: Lane3 who wrote (22969)	7/5/2006 7:36:21 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541326

riding the Gore train Haven't seen the film (I'm not even sure it's out over here), but I've been going in what I presume is the same direction as that train since about age 8, when I started reading up on science, and riding alongside for 20 years at least. To be fair, the environmental movement may have a longer tradition here. I'd mostly given up declaiming it here a while back, I think before the film was out, because it is being treated as a partisan issue, and people clearly bright enough simply refuse to accept logic and evidence. Whereas in actuality, to be blunt, the Earth doesn't give a flying fck about US politics. It's not going to magically shed CO2 however much Rove spins it, nor cool down however Fox fulminates. (riding the Gore train) lets you feel good* Doesn't make me feel good - more like nervous. I see what we're heading for and there's nothing to feel good about. it accomplishes nothing Wharfy's pointed out many ways to accomplish something in the last day alone. You've been sent links to many more. A reduction is a reduction. Each individual action may be small, you may even view them as insignificant, but they add up. Cells in a body, if you like. And if you're already living in a low-impact fashion, well done. Please don't deride and disturb the efforts of others to to or advise likewise, because most people (especially in the US) do not live this way. I'm not sure what the rest of your post is expected to say, actually. I presume I'm meant to be insulted or reproved somehow? Never mind.