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To: Lane3 who wrote (22982)	7/5/2006 8:04:57 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541326

Disagreeing with Gore's political strategy does not make one a flat-earther. It's not to do with Gore's political strategy, at least for me. I'd say that's no more than a topical back-up for anyone here who accepts the evidence. It's to do with anthropogenic global warming; the rapid and accelerating warming of the earth and subsequent alterations in climate and biosphere, due to human actions, principally the vast release of CO2 into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels. Nothing political about that. If some politicians use it as a rallying point, well, at least they should be moving attitudes in the right direction. If others deny it exists as their own rallying point, and make it a partisan honour to disbelieve the amassing evidence, well, more fool them and they stand to do serious harm. As for a flat earth, well, at present I'd say the Victoria is still accompanied by the Trinidad and they've made it to the Spice Islands the long way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan) Not definitive but sufficient. Certainly sufficient, IMO, that debating it is as fruitless as debating electricity in 1900; the theory may not be fully understood, or 'proven' in the methematical sense, but there's really no other explanation.

To: Lane3 who wrote (22982)	7/5/2006 8:05:14 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541326

Lovely, we get to be like evangelicals. Such a lovely job you do in showing how not to demonize your opponent. Methinks you've got a little "othering" going on there. Of course you can disagree with Gore- I even said I accept that- but it is illogical to say "the Gore train" is accomplishing nothing but "making people feel good" when it is, at the very least, organizing people and making them talk about global warming. You have failed to recogize that we all understand your "point", but we don't happen to agree with it, and because of that you get to call us evangelicals- thus implying it's only faith that makes our decisions. It's very very insulting. I guess you don't realize just how dismissive and insulting your posts have been. Thames, for example, isn't "knee jerk" if he has examined his positions and genuinely believes in their logic. To call him knee jerk when he tells you he has followed the science is the kind of insult that may make people here react with less that absolutely scrupulous politeness- but I didn't see anyone call you a flat earther. I saw people say you offer no solution- but you haven't, so that really isn't name calling, is it? I understand your various opinions. Gore is counterproductive, the Gore train does nothing, there might be something else better, somewhere out there, and something you don't like is worse than nothing. I get it. I just don't agree- and that doesn't mean I need to be insulted by being told I'm on a religious crusade, implying faith rather than reason is the driving force behined my actions- and it's not black and white, and no one but you said it is. I just happen to think Gore is better than nothing- but you have to tell us "the Gore train" is doing nothing and for people "who just want to feel good". That kind of talk looks quite close to the talk on the crap threads to me.