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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: steve harris who wrote (71865)	7/9/2006 8:58:22 PM
From: tonto	Respond to of 173976

Yup, North Vietnam loved John Kerry. He was one of their strongest weapons. Without him, they may have surrendered... Before the British wire service quoted General Giap, it noted: "The Vietnam War, known in Vietnam as the American War, has become a hot issue in the U.S. presidential race with Democrat John Kerry drawing attention to his service and President Bush's Republicans disparaging Kerry's later anti-war stand." North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin, who served under General Giap on the general staff of the North Vietnamese Army, received South Vietnam's unconditional surrender on April 30, 1975. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal after his retirement, Colonel Tin explicitly credited leaders of the U.S. anti-war movement, saying they were "essentially to our strategy."

To: steve harris who wrote (71865)	7/9/2006 9:03:34 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

You're a bald-faced liar full of fabricated smears and ugly nonsense. Kerry never took part in any radical anti-war efforts. It's all in the final FBI surveillance report on Kerry which Nixon ordered. Their final report was that Kerry was a moderate who followed the law and never took in any of the more radical protests. In fact he quit the VVAW because of some of the radical types in that organization. Kerry's protests were not only serious and heartfelt, but extremely effective and respected. Nixon took them so seriously he feared Kerry would turn into a major democratic leader. Which indeed he did. That's why Nixon ordered dirty tricks chief Colson and his bunboy John O'Neill to "destroy him!" and got the FBI to watch Kerry and search his record for any specks of dirt. They never found a thing on Kerry because it didn't exist. Kerry was always true, blue, honest and right.

To: steve harris who wrote (71865)	7/9/2006 9:09:55 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 173976

In his 1995 memoir, Robert McNamara said of himself and the other architects of the Vietnam conflict, "We were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why." Deal with it, you chickenhawk liar. The Vietnam War was wrong. very wrong. Over two million people ended up dying, for a big fat pack of lies. And not only the combat heros but the peacemaking heros deserve our full respect. Kerry was both, and among the finest of both. The ones that don't deserve any respect are the policymakers at the top of the Johnson and Nixon administrations who pushed this war even after they knew it was a wrong-headed charge into a jungle quagmire. Even if not a single American had raised his voice against the war the outcome would have been the same. It was unwinnable because it was based on very unsound and dishonest asumptions. Similar to Iraq today. Which is what this debate ias really all about. Apparently Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield did not learn the lessons of Vietnam. Maybe because they were never in combat. Maybe because none of the top Bushies have ever had to endure combat. All armchair generals and war profiteers.