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To: KLP who wrote (191294)	7/9/2006 10:16:40 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

1. You brought up DeWeese. I simply gave you information that you didn't bother to obtain. Two second on Google. Really. 2. Your ability to swallow propaganda and your inability or refusal to lift a finger to look something up for yourself is typical rightwinger christocrat nutballism. 3. Clinton did not go to war on lies for oil, Clinton did not disband the OBL unit, Clinton did not oversee the worst act of terrorism on US soil. Clinton did put the original WTC perpetrators IN JAIL something which Bush has been unable to do even while Iraq and Afghanistan descend into civil war. Have you noticed how sheepish and weak Bush looks on the NK thing? He's waiting for China? He's looking for longterm diplomacy? OMG. How horrible is this? 4. "While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered." --- Iraq Survey Group 5. Santorum is a moron desperately trying to keep his seat by any means possible and apparently that means making a fool out of himself. "New intel report reignites Iraq arms fight By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 23, 3:33 AM ET WASHINGTON - Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and probably are so old they couldn't be used as designed, intelligence officials said Thursday. ADVERTISEMENT Two lawmakers — Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., and House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich. — on Wednesday circulated a one-page summary of a military intelligence report that says coalition forces have recovered about 500 munitions with mustard or sarin agents, and more could be discovered around Iraq. "We now have found stockpiles," Santorum asserted. But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed. They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004. He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous. "It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said."... 6. What planet do you live on and do you actually read anything other than rightwing fascist propaganda? Hey, it's ok, if you're going to be a fascist, at least admit that's what you are.

To: KLP who wrote (191294)	7/9/2006 10:22:17 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

KLP, remember to declare the area under your kitchen sink a terrorist training camp. You should stay up and watch it from behind the couch just in case it decides to lob things at you while you watch Fox Fake News. Frankly, I think this is a propaganda lying ruse from the Rovian Fascists but it is amazing that it's come to ruses about the US Constitution. Hey, maybe Hoekstra's trying to make up for the kitchen sink thingy. " Bush 'hid secrets from US Congress' From: Reuters By Alan Elsner in Washington July 10, 2006 THE Bush administration was running several intelligence programs, including one major activity, that it kept secret from Congress until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, the committee's chairman said. Pete Hoekstra, a Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, said he had written a four-page to US President George W. Bush in May warning him that the failure to disclose the intelligence activities to Congress may be a violation of the law.<p> In doing so, he confirmed a story that first ran in Sunday editions of the New York Times.<p> "I take it very, very seriously otherwise I would not have written the letter to the president," Mr Hoekstra said.<p>.... news.com.au

To: KLP who wrote (191294)	7/10/2006 10:47:02 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Many of us suspected that WMDs were shipped to Syria, but we just couldn't prove the case. And unfortunately, so far as my most recent experience when ISG shut down, we still couldn't present "beyond a reasonable doubt" evidence that this was the case. But Primakov's activities in Iraq were widely suspected to be related to cleaning up Iraq's remaining WMD inventory and erasing any evidence of Russia's involvement. Here's an article from Rumania's former intelligence chief (who defected), General Ion Mihai Pacepa: frontpagemag.com en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org Hawk