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To: KonKilo who wrote (23710)	7/11/2006 8:26:31 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 541249

The paramountcy of neoconservatism and Joe Lieberman Thanks for the Greenwald post. It's apparent that we are in the presence of a great deal of rethinking as to precisely what neoconservatism was/is and what to make of it after Iraq. Lawrence Kaplan, one of its proponents via The New Republic, signs off in this piece in The New Republic. tnr.com. However, it's behind a subscription wall so . . .

To: KonKilo who wrote (23710)	7/12/2006 3:00:23 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541249

They [neocons] are insisting that neoconservatism hasn't failed, but rather, it has been failed, by those who lack the necessary resolve, courage and brutality to do the dirty work that has to be done. In short, they are demanding more war, more militarism, and more barbarism, and are claiming that the reason for our foreign policy failures is because -- thanks to the Chamberlian-like cowardice of virtually everyone other than them -- we don't have nearly enough of all of that. Another tired old horse that neocons try to beat when all else fails. How many times have we heard this diversionary BS? I call it that because it precludes all debate on the feasbility and desirability of pursuing large military campaigns in various countries. They may be a good idea and may work, but often they don't for reasons specific to that region or local culture. The simplistic "we can transform them all if we just have the will" view has ended up broken and defeated on many battlefields throughout history.

To: KonKilo who wrote (23710)	7/12/2006 5:01:23 PM
From: ThirdEye	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541249

Our mistake has been excessive restraint, a lack of courage, and a naive and cowardly belief that measures short of war and all-out aggression are effective in dealing with this problem. This is, after all, the essence of all neocon response to any form of disagreement or dissent, whether domestic or foreign. It also describes the religious right's determination to save everyone who's not just like them from the hell they will surely suffer if they do not submit to the messianic wave.